Result or Performance : Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:47 am  

After the Castleford game their seemed to be a split in opionion which was the most important outcome from a game the result or the performance.

: Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:50 am  

Bit of a daft poll really. RESULT is always the key and always the most important. Who wants a team that performs well but never wins??? Performance is definately important and something you can take heart from. If you put in the performance you can go away knowing you tried your best. Ultimately tho, performances dont matter, Results do!

[Bullseye]

: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:03 am  

An improving performance is a positive but not as positive as a win IMO.

: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:12 am  

As far as our next game in the league goes, I couldn't care less how we play. If we manage to get a win, I'll be very very happy. If we lose but play fantastically, I'll be miffed.

: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:22 am  

I put "performance" but I don't think it's a sensible question, the way you've done it.

Obviously, if you say is it better for a team to play great but lose every game, or to play boring rubbish but win every game, then it is better for the club's league position and survival to win. Though I would expect, in such an unlikely extreme, that its crowds would gradually fall away - but what do I know, when tens of thousands turn out to watch Onion penaltythons?

The reality is that a team should aim to play fine, entertaining rugby with perhaps the Saints of recent years as the best example. We'd all love, and obviously prefer, our team to play breathtaking, expansive rugby and thrill us for 80 minutes with their supreme skill. However, you have to have a base on which to build. That base is usually a solid defence, and there is no doubt that a team, in a season, in a single game, and over a period of years, can perform better once the important job of winning is done.

So it is not a sensible question, because it is never an "either - or" choice.

And the answer would change depending on the circumstances, too. For example, at the moment, most fans would be happy to see the Bulls grind out wins, by any means necessary, against Catalans in the Cup, and then against Leeds. It would matter much less to me, at the moment, how well or badly we played if we achieved that.

Circumstances.

Whilst the natural outcome of sych an "either-or" poll is always going to be "result", I doubt many would argue with my analysis.

I'd also say that there is a case in the Cas match for saying either. The result was the main thing, as we lost, and we really needed a win; but then the performance was, for most of the match, really an excellent effort in many respects, and the best we've played so far. That was important too.

: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:25 am  

Definately a result is more important than how we play, if we can play Sh!te and still win then that'll do for me.

: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:27 am  

Steam Pig wrote:

Definately a result is more important than how we play, if we can play Sh!te and still win then that'll do for me.

maybe so in the short term - but let's say all the Bulls played for 2 years was Sh!te, Sh!te and more Sh!te, for how long would you keep paying at the gate?

: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:29 am  

Playing poorly and winning is only the sign of a good team when you're generaly playing well and winning and the occassional lapse doesn't harm you. Doing it on the back of playing poorly and losing is hardly going to fill me with hope.

If we play well and still lose after a run of playing poorly and losing then I'm a little happier.

It's entirely context specific, and in this context playing well counts as a result for me. Continually playing well but losing is a different matter.

I haven't voted, the question is nonsensical.

: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:32 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

maybe so in the short term - but let's say all the Bulls played for 2 years was Sh!te, Sh!te and more Sh!te, for how long would you keep paying at the gate?

Surely though if you were playing poop yet getting the wins the gates would increase. I can see what your sayin and performance is important but if come October Bulls have got to Old Trafford and won by playing poorly but getting results, I think you will be alot happier than if you performed well all season but came 8th or whatever. I agreed on the whole with what you said on your previous post though, its entirely specific to situation.

: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:47 am  

Performance for me everytime. If the team performs to the best of its ability I will have no qualms with us being outplayed by better teams and the occasional loss due to bad luck or Ganson taking charge.

But I don't think we are performing to our best and you have to ask whether the right individuals are in place at the club to make this happen. This is not meant to be a dig at Macca by the way

Yes the signs were there for most of the game against Cas but its was the performance in the last quarter that really upset me. Some of the players need to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror instead of bleating to the press about how their individual performaces are good just the rest of the team are letting the side down (yes, I'm talking about you Mr. Jefferies).

Why oh why were we unlucky to sign Bird just when immigration was tighteniing as I reckon he would have transformed the team sadly it is not to be and we will have to make do with the 'talent' at the club already