Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:05 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Otherwise, Halifax Bulls anyone

I personally think that's an absolutely excellent idea which should be pushed through at the earliest possible opportunity.

[Bullseye]

Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:07 pm  

DILLIGAF wrote:

I personally think that's an absolutely excellent idea which should be pushed through at the earliest possible opportunity.

You are Tony Gartland and I claim my £5.

Can we have a pitch invasion with a coffin like the Fax fans did?

Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:11 pm  

Adeybull wrote:

If the club had to move to VP (looks like that will be the only other option now if the club is to stay in Bradford), anyone know where the 7-figure sum to be repaid to the council for leaving Odsal early will come from?

Totally effing disastrous news. Even if maybe not as big a surprise as it ought to be.

This is probably not feasible, but perhaps someone with more Legal or Accountancy or Building knowledge would know the answer. As we still have a very long term lease on Odsal could we not still move in with City (I didn't mind it when we were there before). Then, for odsal, remove the stands etc apply for a change of use (or whatever you need to do) and CHARGE Waste companies to use the hole as a dump. This would save us having too much maintenance charges and possibly even generate an income for a while, until the hole was completely filled in. Once we had the hole completely filled in there would be little outlay from the Bulls to just guard the ground I assume. Maybe somewhere down the road Bulls and City could joint finance the building of a new stadium on top of the now filled in hole? I have stated this very simplisticaly but it illustrates a potential way forward?? Please feel free to shoot this idea down if it is not legal, financially feasable or not technically possible. Even if we did not eventually (after VP became old and tatty) joint fund a new stadium the council would get back Odsal at the end of the lease in a much better condition than they signed over to us.

[Bullseye]

Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:14 pm  

Flip Flop wrote:

This is probably not feasible, but perhaps someone with more Legal or Accountancy or Building knowledge would know the answer. As we still have a very long term lease on Odsal could we not still move in with City (I didn't mind it when we were there before). Then, for odsal, remove the stands etc apply for a change of use (or whatever you need to do) and CHARGE Waste companies to use the hole as a dump. This would save us having too much maintenance charges and possibly even generate an income for a while, until the hole was completely filled in. Once we had the hole completely filled in there would be little outlay from the Bulls to just guard the ground I assume. Maybe somewhere down the road Bulls and City could joint finance the building of a new stadium on top of the now filled in hole? I have stated this very simplisticaly but it illustrates a potential way forward?? Please feel free to shoot this idea down if it is not legal, financially feasable or not technically possible. Even if we did not eventually (after VP became old and tatty) joint fund a new stadium the council would get back Odsal at the end of the lease in a much better condition than they signed over to us.

Who knows without sight of the contract? I guess all parties will be looking into the options now Odsal's future as a RL venue is effectively non existent past 2012.

Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:15 pm  

Can't say I'm surprised. It was pretty obvious given the huge funding gap that was identified in the £75m scheme.

Moving to Valley Parade is the only alternative now, unless a viable way can be found for us to stay at Odsal. What happens with Valley Parade though? Doesn't Gordon Gibb still own it? It wouldn't be so great to have Bulls and City paying huge amounts of rent to play there. Also, the branding of the place would need to change and the concourses would need to feel less prison like (they are in the Kop anyway) for it to feel like a home for the Bulls!

The Bulls leaving Bradford would be pretty dumb, even if it was to Halifax and not to the other side of the country a la North American sports franchises.

As an outsider, its an another kick in the nads for the city of Bradford...

Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:19 pm  

Flip Flop wrote:

This is probably not feasible, but perhaps someone with more Legal or Accountancy or Building knowledge would know the answer. As we still have a very long term lease on Odsal could we not still move in with City (I didn't mind it when we were there before). Then, for odsal, remove the stands etc apply for a change of use (or whatever you need to do) and CHARGE Waste companies to use the hole as a dump. This would save us having too much maintenance charges and possibly even generate an income for a while, until the hole was completely filled in. Once we had the hole completely filled in there would be little outlay from the Bulls to just guard the ground I assume. Maybe somewhere down the road Bulls and City could joint finance the building of a new stadium on top of the now filled in hole? I have stated this very simplisticaly but it illustrates a potential way forward?? Please feel free to shoot this idea down if it is not legal, financially feasable or not technically possible. Even if we did not eventually (after VP became old and tatty) joint fund a new stadium the council would get back Odsal at the end of the lease in a much better condition than they signed over to us.

It could be grassed over and turned into something like Milton Keynes Bowl maybe!

Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:32 pm  

Flip Flop wrote:

This is probably not feasible, but perhaps someone with more Legal or Accountancy or Building knowledge would know the answer. As we still have a very long term lease on Odsal could we not still move in with City (I didn't mind it when we were there before). Then, for odsal, remove the stands etc apply for a change of use (or whatever you need to do) and CHARGE Waste companies to use the hole as a dump. This would save us having too much maintenance charges and possibly even generate an income for a while, until the hole was completely filled in. Once we had the hole completely filled in there would be little outlay from the Bulls to just guard the ground I assume. Maybe somewhere down the road Bulls and City could joint finance the building of a new stadium on top of the now filled in hole? I have stated this very simplisticaly but it illustrates a potential way forward?? Please feel free to shoot this idea down if it is not legal, financially feasable or not technically possible. Even if we did not eventually (after VP became old and tatty) joint fund a new stadium the council would get back Odsal at the end of the lease in a much better condition than they signed over to us.

The bad news is that the reversionary payment is due if the Bulls fail to play more than 90% of their home games at Odsal each season. The lease requires existing use.



Tell the council we will surrender the lease, allowing them to develop Odsal for megabucks, provided they pay us a substantial 7-figure lump sum to go away? Use that to buy a big share in another stadium.

Sorry...was that the scratting of groundhogs I just heard?

Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:37 pm  

hope we take our own stewards to vp if we move. last time we were there we were always getting told to sit down by the football stewards. stood up for 10 seconds to see what was happening and got told to sit down or leave.

Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:07 pm  

I see another £1.2m is going to spunked up against a wall on consultants.

I'd love to know how much of our money has been wasted on them over the years on projects that have never happened, add to that the cost of the thousands of "artists impressions" that have been commissioned but never become reality.

Maybe our local paper could investigate?

[Bullseye]

Re: VP it is then! : Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:17 pm  

Asim wrote:

Maybe our local paper could investigate?