Re: Peter Hood says Bulls on brink of going bust. : Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:44 pm  

M@islebugs wrote:

No -one can argue with that??? They haven't even spoke to their own shareholders, the most significant of which negotiated the transfer away from the club of two of our best young players for what turned out to be paltry (undisclosed) sums, in between writing letters to the T and A stating just how useless the current board is.

Oh. And if the club folds it's our fault.

PH bought the holding of one of those shareholders. AB another, I think. That sounds like "talking" to me - and at least it rationalised the holdings a bit. The other big holders are Jack Bates and Roland Agar, and I think they see and talk to them regularly?

And they have spoken with the other fella all right. I'd love to tell you how it went. But if he's just prepared to sit there, and fire off at the board, in public or otherwise waiting for it to all fall over so he can pounce and pick up the pieces if he so chooses, I don't see what the BOD can do?

Its a bloody mess while he and others are sat on the sidelines with ownership but no responsibility. But solving THAT conundrum is something for another day, sadly.

Most of MY suggestions for solving the problem would likely see me serving a considerable period at the pleasure of Her Majesty...

Re: Peter Hood says Bulls on brink of going bust. : Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:45 pm  

M@islebugs wrote:

No -one can argue with that??? They haven't even spoke to their own shareholders, the most significant of which negotiated the transfer away from the club of two of our best young players for what turned out to be paltry (undisclosed) sums, in between writing letters to the T and A stating just how useless the current board is.

Oh. And if the club folds it's our fault.

I don't think anybodies saying that if the club folds it's our fault but highlights that we have the power to stop it doing so.

Re: Peter Hood says Bulls on brink of going bust. : Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:52 pm  

eddievan wrote:

I understand your scepticism, and can see why you feel negative, but aside from the pledge scheme being successful can you see another way the club can survive?

Do you want the pledge scheme to succeed?

I believe there are people out there who would like to see it fail just to be able to say 'I told you so, this lot are useless etc..'
As stated earlier anyone who doesn't pledge will be able to think about how clever they have been for two hours every Sunday afternoon for the next decade or so.

Re: Peter Hood says Bulls on brink of going bust. : Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:58 pm  

Indeed (NOT Maislebugs, btw)

Signing off now - been a long shift, and I am so far behind with my day job that I'll probably have to work all through the night to catch up (and I'm not joking).

Hope some folk are a little better informed now.

Re: Peter Hood says Bulls on brink of going bust. : Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:59 pm  

Adeybull wrote:

Indeed (NOT Maislebugs, btw)

Signing off now - been a long shift, and I am so far behind with my day job that I'll probably have to work all through the night to catch up (and I'm not joking).

Hope some folk are a little better informed now.

Cheers Adey. I am sure your input and that of Bullbuilder will help the cause.

Re: Peter Hood says Bulls on brink of going bust. : Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:07 pm  

Adeybull wrote:

PH bought the holding of one of those shareholders. AB another, I think. That sounds like "talking" to me - and at least it rationalised the holdings a bit. The other big holders are Jack Bates and Roland Agar, and I think they see and talk to them regularly?

And they have spoken with the other fella all right. I'd love to tell you how it went. But if he's just prepared to sit there, and fire off at the board, in public or otherwise waiting for it to all fall over so he can pounce and pick up the pieces if he so chooses, I don't see what the BOD can do?

Its a bloody mess while he and others are sat on the sidelines with ownership but no responsibility. But solving THAT conundrum is something for another day, sadly.

Most of MY suggestions for solving the problem would likely see me serving a considerable period at the pleasure of Her Majesty...

I disagree. This is precisley the time to solve that conundrum, in fact I think it might be our only chance. What many decent, loyal fans believe is saving the club is in my view, prolonging the death throes.

If the situation is as you describe (and I believe you are right), the board should have resigned over the Sam Burgess transfer and forced CC's hand. People from the club have been saying for over 5 years that CC was doing as you outline but have done nothing to lance the boil or draw him out. Whilst he's fired off at the board they've briefed about him in equal measure as you're well aware.

I don't believe this is about saving the club or not saving it. I accept this may not be a popular view but I believe this is merely about when we enter administration.

Re: Peter Hood says Bulls on brink of going bust. : Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:08 pm  

hi de hi wrote:

I believe there are people out there who would like to see it fail just to be able to say 'I told you so, this lot are useless etc..'
As stated earlier anyone who doesn't pledge will be able to think about how clever they have been for two hours every Sunday afternoon for the next decade or so.

I don't think there is anybody in the whole rugby league league community who wants to see the Bulls go to the wall. But if the worst happens it won't be the fault of the fans whether they have pledged or not but the fault of the people who, over the past few years, took the decisions that put the club in the position it is. And that includes board members past and present and external parties who are holding a financial gun to the head of the club.

Re: Peter Hood says Bulls on brink of going bust. : Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:13 pm  

M@islebugs wrote:

I disagree. This is precisley the time to solve that conundrum, in fact I think it might be our only chance. What many decent, loyal fans believe is saving the club is in my view, prolonging the death throes.

If the situation is as you describe (and I believe you are right), the board should have resigned over the Sam Burgess transfer and forced CC's hand. People from the club have been saying for over 5 years that CC was doing as you outline but have done nothing to lance the boil or draw him out. Whilst he's fired off at the board they've briefed about him in equal measure as you're well aware.

I don't believe this is about saving the club or not saving it. I accept this may not be a popular view but I believe this is merely about when we enter administration.

You're entitled to your opinion but we heard parts of the plan and it seems viable that we can survive and compete without being in "death throes".

Re: Peter Hood says Bulls on brink of going bust. : Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:23 pm  

debaser wrote:

To be fair, if the Bulls don't survive, some of the blame would have to lie with the fans who don't pledge. They have happily accepted £75 season tickets, yet don't feel the club is worth anymore than that. If the club goes, there will be plenty of time to sit around blaming each other. They could spend every Sunday between 3 and 5 repeating "it's not my fault" over and over.

Sorry, but that isn't true. A season ticket is what it sounds like: a ticket to attend home matches. It doesn't need to suggest any greater degree of commitment than that. For some of you the commitment to the club is much deeper, and I'm not suggesting in any way that that's wrong. However, people who buy a season ticket are buying a service. If they value that service at £75, that's up to them. Many of them might never have owned a season ticket before, but thought it might be reasonably priced entertainment. You can't blame a business's casual punters for the failing of the business. That blame lies squarely and solely with the people who made the pledge necessary.

I'm not saying people shouldn't support the pledge, just that those who don't shouldn't have the blame for the club's demise (which I hope doesn't happen, and believe won't happen) dumped on them.

Re: Peter Hood says Bulls on brink of going bust. : Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:45 pm  

El Diablo wrote:

Sorry, but that isn't true. A season ticket is what it sounds like: a ticket to attend home matches. It doesn't need to suggest any greater degree of commitment than that. For some of you the commitment to the club is much deeper, and I'm not suggesting in any way that that's wrong. However, people who buy a season ticket are buying a service. If they value that service at £75, that's up to them. Many of them might never have owned a season ticket before, but thought it might be reasonably priced entertainment. You can't blame a business's casual punters for the failing of the business. That blame lies squarely and solely with the people who made the pledge necessary.

I'm not saying people shouldn't support the pledge, just that those who don't shouldn't have the blame for the club's demise (which I hope doesn't happen, and believe won't happen) dumped on them.

Regardless of whose fault it is that we are in this situation, the hard fact remains that by not supporting the pledge you are assisting in the downfall of the club.
It's like saying if you saw someone collapse in the street having a heart attack and you didn't assist or call an ambulance that it's not your fault if they die! But as has been said earlier there will be plenty of empty Sunday afternoons to think it over.