Re: Re-signings & new coach : Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:25 pm  

bowlingboy wrote:

That we are pump..is the embarrassment.
Sold to yet another owner without means to fund the club to be competitive & that's at championship level.
Credit where it's due though thanks to Castleford wonder if we can have anymore scraps from their table.

Some people are never happy

Re: Re-signings & new coach : Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:40 am  

To be fair great move. No recall for the month. After that it's a 24 hour recall. Training wise at this present moment he doesn't really need to be at every session at the moment as daft as it sounds. We don't have an amazing game play plan where our second rowers do anything differently.

Look at the Leeds lads. Are they at all our sessions? If yes, then so will Larroyer as it is the same loan just a different club. If no, does it matter? Look at how two playmakers have slotted in without training with us. I'm sure a forward could make the same transition like Oledzki.

I think the main thing to take from this is cost. We have a player with SL and international experience in a position we are desperate for experience in. We are essentially only paying half for him for the duration he is with us too. As a loan deal is a 50/50 split normally, well depending on the team, there has been occasions where the parent club has paid full wages and just needed them to get game time. Can't see Cas doing this though!

Injury aside. He'll play every game that he is hear for I would assume. So 4 games at half price. And give Lowe and Chalmers a chance to scout a bit more. Also gives other teams another month to sort out their squads and we can see who is surplus to requirements.

Next up Scott Moore and hopefully a prop. But so far, happy with this!

Re: Re-signings & new coach : Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:37 am  

I suspect the lack of new signed players is due to Toovs not being officially Head Coach yet and until this happens Agents are going to be wary about letting their Players sign anything, so once Toovs gets his working visa things should hopefully move on the Player signing front, otherwise it's cap in hand loanees for the time being!

Re: Re-signings & new coach : Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:48 am  

I half wonder if there's some red tape holding up the Bulls being able to sign players.
The way that the press release is worded to so strongly reiterate that he's training with Cas and here for match fitness etc. just seems like it's been laid on a bit thick. I'm probably wrong but it has the feeling of Cas bailing us out by registering him and loaning him to us cause we're struggling to sign players.
Why they'd do that, I don't know. I'm just a terribly suspicious person maybe.

Re: Re-signings & new coach : Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:13 am  

Surely if that was the case they would have just loaned him to us for rest of season with no recall?

[Bullseye]

Re: Re-signings & new coach : Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:23 am  

Cas obviously feeling bad about how they've been treating us eh tigertot

Re: Re-signings & new coach : Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:41 am  

At the moment, i will take any experienced player on loan.

Re: Re-signings & new coach : Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:52 am  

Bulls Boy 2011 wrote:

To be fair great move. No recall for the month.

That's standard. It's not a case of someone putting that clause in there, it's a standard RFL rule. ALL loan moves must be for a minimum of 28 days. After the 28 days, you can do recall as and when you want, as agreed between the two clubs.

Blotto wrote:

I suspect the lack of new signed players is due to Toovs not being officially Head Coach yet and until this happens Agents are going to be wary about letting their Players sign anything, so once Toovs gets his working visa things should hopefully move on the Player signing front, otherwise it's cap in hand loanees for the time being!

I think it's more a case of us offering low wages personally.

beefy1 wrote:

I half wonder if there's some red tape holding up the Bulls being able to sign players.
The way that the press release is worded to so strongly reiterate that he's training with Cas and here for match fitness etc. just seems like it's been laid on a bit thick. I'm probably wrong but it has the feeling of Cas bailing us out by registering him and loaning him to us cause we're struggling to sign players.
Why they'd do that, I don't know. I'm just a terribly suspicious person maybe.

It's not just you. It was the very first thing that crossed my mind when I saw the announcement too. At least until I saw it was initially for a month, which made me doubt it a little. But that could just be to throw people off the scent.

Re: Re-signings & new coach : Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:53 am  

Blotto wrote:

I suspect the lack of new signed players is due to Toovs not being officially Head Coach yet and until this happens Agents are going to be wary about letting their Players sign anything, so once Toovs gets his working visa things should hopefully move on the Player signing front, otherwise it's cap in hand loanees for the time being!

I think we are grasping at straws here. I hope you are right though. If only someone would let us in on what the great overall plan is ! We have gone from the Hale fellow well met forums with Green, to no forum or communications whatsoever.

Re: Re-signings & new coach : Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:55 am  

Bulls Boy 2011 wrote:

To be fair great move. No recall for the month. After that it's a 24 hour recall. Training wise at this present moment he doesn't really need to be at every session at the moment as daft as it sounds. We don't have an amazing game play plan where our second rowers do anything differently.

Look at the Leeds lads. Are they at all our sessions? If yes, then so will Larroyer as it is the same loan just a different club. If no, does it matter? Look at how two playmakers have slotted in without training with us. I'm sure a forward could make the same transition like Oledzki.

I think the main thing to take from this is cost. We have a player with SL and international experience in a position we are desperate for experience in. We are essentially only paying half for him for the duration he is with us too. As a loan deal is a 50/50 split normally, well depending on the team, there has been occasions where the parent club has paid full wages and just needed them to get game time. Can't see Cas doing this though!

Injury aside. He'll play every game that he is hear for I would assume. So 4 games at half price. And give Lowe and Chalmers a chance to scout a bit more. Also gives other teams another month to sort out their squads and we can see who is surplus to requirements.

Next up Scott Moore and hopefully a prop. But so far, happy with this!

It's down to loaning club to specify which club loanees train with. Normally month and season long loans train with club there loaned to. Dual reg players train with parent club as there not usually made available for the loaner club until the last minute. But this isn't set in stone and is dependent on the individual loan deal. Leeds lads have settled in as they are training full time with us. If press statement was correct then larroyer won't be.