[Bulliac]

Re: Relegation.. : Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:34 am  

daveyz999 wrote:

One of the biggest differences between Mabanana and FC is that, at the time, the majority of Bulls fans wanted rid of SM. This was the feeling for many a month, before the board finally realised and stood him down.

Where as if we look at FC, the majority of fans are happy for him to continue. Yes we may not be overly impressed with some of the antics that goes on for 80 minutes of a game, but look at the crap he has dealt with.

He has stayed through all the recent administrations, and managed to build a squad of players that genuinely don't want to leave the Bulls.

I have no doubts as to his persona with the players (regarding him as a Mr nice guy), as we have seen many players shown the door for not agreeing with his methods (Whitehead, Sammut, L'estrange etc.)

Would we be at the foot of the table with the squad he recruited over the summer? Personally, I don't think so. Losing his best 2 props, with little ability to replace them, is none of his own doing.

In my opinion, FC will not be the next Mcbanana, and even if we are relegated, I would not hold him responible for the Bulls demise. I'd be happy for him to continue his work in the next division down, but unfortunately, I think he may have bigger aspirations.

Think davy, you're maybe judging the T&A rantboard to be the arbiters of public opinion?

There was a vocal minority on here who wanted Macca out..well OK it was fairly even, to be fair, but it wasn't the majority - neither did the board "stand him down", he left to take up the job of England manager, IIRC.

I doubt FC would be in any real danger, for the reasons you mention and partly for similar reasons to Macca; ie, the club doesn't have the money to waste paying people off - particularly when the problem is much deeper rooted - cash.

Re: Relegation.. : Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:41 am  

Bulliac wrote:

Think davy, you're maybe judging the T&A rantboard to be the arbiters of public opinion?

There was a vocal minority on here who wanted Macca out..well OK it was fairly even, to be fair, but it wasn't the majority - neither did the board "stand him down", he left to take up the job of England manager, IIRC.

I doubt FC would be in any real danger, for the reasons you mention and partly for similar reasons to Macca; ie, the club doesn't have the money to waste paying people off - particularly when the problem is much deeper rooted - cash.

From what I remember, the players had also lost confidence in his ability, many experienced pro's could not understand his (constant) selection choices.

He was stood down (mutual consent of course ) with a number of games left in the season. LSH took charge of these, until the board announced the capture of Potter.

In his early days, I thought he would do okay at the Bulls, but his transfer dealings were terrible. Towards the end of his reign, I was definitely looking forward to his departure.

Re: Relegation.. : Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:47 am  

I don't think FC has had a fair shake of the stick, however you want to look at it. He's the guy who's had to carry the can over one of the harshest times the club has had to endure.

An offseason with no financial meltdowns, getting to the end of the season with the same players he started with. These are the things FC has yet to experience in his tenure.

Judge him once the playing field is level

Re: Relegation.. : Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:48 am  

hindle xiii wrote:

I agree with all of that, and couldn't have put it better myself. The one "advantage" McNamara had was the lack of relegation, this time we don't, relegation is looming and I think Cummins' inexperience at times has been glaringly obvious. So I'd like to see some 'short term pain, long term gain' type management decisions to pull out every stop to stay in Super League.

Therein lies the problem with relegation. Financial panic.

Re: Relegation.. : Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:53 am  

roofaldo2 wrote:

Judge him once the playing field is level

Ironically that may be while playing Batley next year...

Re: Relegation.. : Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:57 am  

hindle xiii wrote:

Ironically that may be while playing Batley next year...

Re: Relegation.. : Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:57 am  

tigertot wrote:

Therein lies the problem with relegation. Financial panic.

True. But then again I don't know what the Bulls can or can't afford, if we don't have the funds then we'll die by the sword as it were, and I can understand that, but if we find the money for someone else then it should be looked at. This isn't Gray Viane we're talking about here. One man's financial panic could be another man's shrewd move.

Re: Relegation.. : Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:25 am  

hindle xiii wrote:

Secondly, Powell is doing a cracking job at Castleford, and is doing so because the Tigers got rid of Millward

Personally i think its clear to see Castleford are better this season due to Chase leaving as they now seem to be playing some exspansive rugby and not trying to build the team and play around one man,

That being said it seems to be the case with Salford, and if Chase is closed down each game they wont get anywhere IMO (just like Cas in previous seasons) just a shame we didnt seem to be able to do that.

Re: Relegation.. : Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:41 am  

pulsator2k7 wrote:

Personally i think its clear to see Castleford are better this season due to Chase leaving as they now seem to be playing some exspansive rugby and trying to build the team and play around one man,

It's splitting hairs but Cas improved, or were less abysmal, in the second half of last season with Orr at the helm for a bit and then Powell taking over.

[Bulliac]

Re: Relegation.. : Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:47 am  

hindle xiii wrote:

Ironically that may be while playing Batley next year...

I thought I'd heard the Batley ground had been levelled..?