Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:27 pm  

aj cougar wrote:

Give it a rest...that's the forum equivalent of a pat on the head.

Well its true. Just get on with making the cougars a better product and you may have a shot. At the moment its like watching a five year old having a tantrum but making it last for 17 years. And if it makes you feel better then here you go.

Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:29 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

I just wonder why it's the Bulls that get the ire of Keighley fans.

To sum up:

1) We actively extended the hand of friendship to you, with Bulls staff visiting the club to look at the community schemed marketing etc...prior to advent of Super League/Bulls
2) Caisley publicly rubbished and patronised us (it was in the T&A)
3) When the Super League broke, it was the trinity of Lindsay, Hetherington and Caisley who drove the meetings and decision making. On one occasion I know of, a meeting was organised, I think at Manchester Airport between the chosen few. Our directors actually gate crashed said meeting. This was out of the configns of the RFL..a tawdry stitch up. The reports I heard back from our club reps about the conduct and manner of certain people appalled me. They had no reason to make this up did they?
4) Council money: Large sums of OUR money were being spent on effectively financing YOUR club. This was strenously denied by many Bulls supporters, but subsequent events proved it to be the case. You were living rent free.
5) A lack of any support on our exclusion, and then a marked degree of humility through the subsequent years.

I know Caisley is not the only one, but he, and by association the Bulls, are inextricably linked with what happened to my team...which was deplorably handled.

Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:31 pm  

LifeLongHKRFan wrote:

Well its true. Just get on with making the cougars a better product and you may have a shot. At the moment its like watching a five year old having a tantrum but making it last for 17 years. And if it makes you feel better then here you go.

Try selling a glass ceiling competition to the people of a town who have an ingrained scepticism about the sport, and lets see how you get on.

Until you show some empathy the the supporters of lower league clubs, you'll spend a lot of time wondering why they enjoy watching Super League clubs fail. And I'm not convinced that Hull KR are immune.

Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:38 pm  

aj cougar wrote:

To sum up:

1) We actively extended the hand of friendship to you, with Bulls staff visiting the club to look at the community schemed marketing etc...prior to advent of Super League/Bulls
2) Caisley publicly rubbished and patronised us (it was in the T&A)
3) When the Super League broke, it was the trinity of Lindsay, Hetherington and Caisley who drove the meetings and decision making. On one occasion I know of, a meeting was organised, I think at Manchester Airport between the chosen few. Our directors actually gate crashed said meeting. This was out of the configns of the RFL..a tawdry stitch up. The reports I heard back from our club reps about the conduct and manner of certain people appalled me. They had no reason to make this up did they?
4) Council money: Large sums of OUR money were being spent on effectively financing YOUR club. This was strenously denied by many Bulls supporters, but subsequent events proved it to be the case. You were living rent free.
5) A lack of any support on our exclusion, and then a marked degree of humility through the subsequent years.

I know Caisley is not the only one, but he, and by association the Bulls, are inextricably linked with what happened to my team...which was deplorably handled.

Or you could leave that all in the lengthy past and actively look at placing the club in a position of strength where it is nigh on impossible to be ignored by the RFL for SL inclusion?

But then it's easy to be negative about the past than be positive about the future. It's what us British are comfortable with and at which we excel. Keighley are gold medalists.

Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:49 pm  

aj cougar wrote:

3) When the Super League broke, it was the trinity of Lindsay, Hetherington and Caisley who drove the meetings and decision making.

This is a genuine question - why on earth would the head of the RFL take along the bosses of one small-ish and one tiny top flight club to his key meetings with him?

Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:54 pm  

Gurus_Beard wrote:

Or you could leave that all in the lengthy past and actively look at placing the club in a position of strength where it is nigh on impossible to be ignored by the RFL for SL inclusion?

But then it's easy to be negative about the past than be positive about the future. It's what us British are comfortable with and at which we excel. Keighley are gold medalists.

Well Chris that's taken the biscuit!

There has been much trumpeting of your own glorious past as being reason enough for a stay of exclusion from SL, but as soon as it suits you, you tell other fans to ignore the bits you don't like

You couldn't make it up!

Is that what you are telling the tax man Chris? "I'ts in the past, forget about it"

PS good luck to the Bradford fans, raising that 500K was pretty awesome by anyone's standard.

Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:02 pm  

Dreamer wrote:

Well Chris that's taken the biscuit!

There has been much trumpeting of your own glorious past as being reason enough for a stay of exclusion from SL, but as soon as it suits you, you tell other fans to ignore the bits you don't like

You couldn't make it up!

I will assume you have deliberately misread my post, which actually suggested you take a positive stance and presented a strong business case as opposed to spurious gripes about what may or may not have happened. Notwithstanding some (not all) Keighley fans taking great pleasure in the Bulls current situation. Poor form.

[Bullseye]

Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:04 pm  

aj cougar wrote:

To sum up:

1) We actively extended the hand of friendship to you, with Bulls staff visiting the club to look at the community schemed marketing etc...prior to advent of Super League/Bulls
2) Caisley publicly rubbished and patronised us (it was in the T&A)
3) When the Super League broke, it was the trinity of Lindsay, Hetherington and Caisley who drove the meetings and decision making. On one occasion I know of, a meeting was organised, I think at Manchester Airport between the chosen few. Our directors actually gate crashed said meeting. This was out of the configns of the RFL..a tawdry stitch up. The reports I heard back from our club reps about the conduct and manner of certain people appalled me. They had no reason to make this up did they?
4) Council money: Large sums of OUR money were being spent on effectively financing YOUR club. This was strenously denied by many Bulls supporters, but subsequent events proved it to be the case. You were living rent free.
5) A lack of any support on our exclusion, and then a marked degree of humility through the subsequent years.

I know Caisley is not the only one, but he, and by association the Bulls, are inextricably linked with what happened to my team...which was deplorably handled.

So it's our fault by association then? Despite us fans having nothing to do with any of it.

That explains the warm welcome whenever I've been to Cougar Park

Seems that some fans wish ill fortune on others because of a the actions of administrators. That hardly seems fair and if anything holds the game back even more.

Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:06 pm  

Gurus_Beard wrote:

I will assume you have deliberately misread my post, which actually suggested you take a positive stance and presented a strong business case as opposed to spurious gripes about what may or may not have happened. Notwithstanding some (not all) Keighley fans taking great pleasure in the Bulls current situation. Poor form.

I have every respect for the outstanding effort of the Bradford fans in trying to save the club they love.

I have little respect for the Bradford Management, past and present.

[Bullseye]

Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:08 pm  

Dreamer wrote:

I have every respect for the outstanding effort of the Bradford fans in trying to save the club they love.

I have little respect for the Bradford Management, past and present.

You're one of us I know it.