Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:36 am  

Sensei-Bull wrote:

Put Bradford in a poor situation? We're getting preferential treatment aren't we? Like hell we are.

In truth as long as you are tied to Odsal , you're stuffed either way

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:36 am  

KRLFC wrote:

Most, that is those not associated with the Bulls, would consider that they've had a lot of preferential treatment over the last few years!

Which of course makes all those redundant staff and hurting fans feel all the better right now eh?

[Bullseye]

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:37 am  

GUBRATS wrote:

In truth as long as you are tied to Odsal , you're stuffed either way

Odsal as it is yes.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:38 am  

Let's just bin the Bulls and make everybody happy then. I'm OK with that at this very moment in time.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:39 am  

woolly07 wrote:

They must have some money to offer to uphold season tickets. He could have easily said they can buy again at say 30% - but didn't.

How can they afford to do that? They're not going to receive any season ticket money, they're not going to receive hardly any central funding. Cash receipts for a team starting on minus 12 points is unlikely to be significant. So they're going to virtually bankroll a Championship club for a full season, with very little cash? If Green managed to run up so much debt despite season ticket money, how are they going to turn that round? They would have to have deep pockets to take on that sort of financial commitment, with very little guarantee that the club would be financially viable in 12 months time. It doesnt seem credible.

[Bullseye]

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:49 am  

Cibaman wrote:

How can they afford to do that? They're not going to receive any season ticket money, they're not going to receive hardly any central funding. Cash receipts for a team starting on minus 12 points is unlikely to be significant. So they're going to virtually bankroll a Championship club for a full season, with very little cash? If Green managed to run up so much debt despite season ticket money, how are they going to turn that round? They would have to have deep pockets to take on that sort of financial commitment, with very little guarantee that the club would be financially viable in 12 months time. It doesnt seem credible.

Agreed. Neither Lamb or Irvine are wealthy enough to be able to commit to any of that so someone else must be behind them or it's all hot air.

Given the penalties imposed on the club and the league we're expected to play in unless any new owner has a heap of money to lose a new club would be in administration again by the end of the 2017 season. A team of part timers that no club wants may be cheap but nobody will pay to see them get thrashed every week before inevitable relegation.

Given a choice between that and missing a season to start in Championship 1 in 2018 I choose the latter.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:03 am  

Bullseye wrote:

Given a choice between that and missing a season to start in Championship 1 in 2018 I choose the latter.

Indeed. It's an interesting one, given Green's approach of squeezing what he can out of the fanbase and crossing his fingers, that the RFL are taking a similar approach. I'm not sure what other choice they have, but I'm currently not feeling terribly incentivised to part with my hard earned to support what looks like an inevitably failed endeavour. Conversely, if I don't, will I have anyone to support in 2018 when it might actually be worth contributing?

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:05 am  

Bullseye wrote:

Agreed. Neither Lamb or Irvine are wealthy enough to be able to commit to any of that so someone else must be behind them or it's all hot air.

Given the penalties imposed on the club and the league we're expected to play in unless any new owner has a heap of money to lose a new club would be in administration again by the end of the 2017 season. A team of part timers that no club wants may be cheap but nobody will pay to see them get thrashed every week before inevitable relegation.

Given a choice between that and missing a season to start in Championship 1 in 2018 I choose the latter.

Rather than have a season out of it, why not give it a shot in the Championship while recognising that relegation is almost certain. Accepting this it gives a year of running a rugby club, learning, raising funds and partners, in order to hit C1 in 2018 in much better position off the pitch, ideally have a plan for developing Odsal for some use beyond rugby league which in the long term is the only viable way to fund the club and with a plan to get back to the Championship in 1-2 years and SL in 3-4 years? The key thing is having a plan

That's what I'd be thinking. The money isn't there to meet fans' expectations, so fans' expectations have to meet the money....

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:07 am  

I don't see how we will raise funds, breaking even will be a start, we aren't in a position to start saving for a rainy day? It's already peeing it down

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:10 am  

ridlerbull wrote:

Conversely, if I don't, will I have anyone to support in 2018 when it might actually be worth contributing?

We'd welcome you back at Cas as long as you say sorry.