Re: Odsal lease up for sale : Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:28 pm  

Silver Bullitt wrote:

Indeed. Whilst £750k probably isn’t a huge amount for a property developer, it’s difficult to imagine any of them paying that price and then “protecting professional rugby in Bradford “. It just doesn’t stack up. They will be more interested in filling the hole in and building a retail park, I would imagine.
Tbf it’s time the Odsal nettle was grasped as it can’t be left to decay indefinitely, but where it will leave the Bulls is a cause for concern as things stand.

Depends if Sport England have the field documented within its existing pitch strategy work. If it is, then in realty no developers can build there unless it provides an alternative venue for the use of sport, hence the low valuation of the land. I tried to purchase two unprotected sports pitches, for sports use, but was priced out as the land was valued with development in mind (it was eventually sold to a property developer in 2015 for £1.5m). The footprint of Odsal is around 4 times this.

Admittedly, this SE framework is usually reserved for smaller community clubs and playing fields (i.e. amateur) but if someone genuinely had the ambition of saving the site for RL, then they would have lobbied to include it back when the leasehold was sold.

Based on my professional experience, the best we can possibly hope for is the council secures the leasehold and sells the land plus RD site for property development (something that is very much needed). In return, some of the funds would be placed towards a community stadium which would provide a lasting legacy for the community, plus a venue for the two professional sports clubs on that side of the city (Bulls & BPA).

I really hope that we as a club are talking to the university as they could be potentially a huge partner to have involved in anything going forwards. The current Director of Infrastructure was involved in improving sports facilities at Uni of Leeds in the past few years, so will understand the value of sport and activity within a developing university strategy. I really don't know if the university have any plans to expand or develop their campus but it would be silly not to have that discussion to see if there is a joint partnership that could be formed should it be of interest.

I'd argue that there could be the foundations of a city-led project that develops affordable property, community facilities, a new academic campus and community sports village. Pop some cultural aspects in there and you have a transformational legacy project that could possibly receive significant investment... if only we had something like a cultural legacy project due to happen in the next year or two???

The only problem with this is that there seems a serious lack of vision and ambition from the various parties that would need to come together, so whether or not this ever comes to fruition is another matter.

[Bullseye]

Re: Odsal lease up for sale : Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:22 pm  

From what I hear from people I know at Bradford University the institution is seriously strapped for cash and has put all it's playing fields at Woodhall Pudsey up for sale.

Re: Odsal lease up for sale : Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:07 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

From what I hear from people I know at Bradford University the institution is seriously strapped for cash and has put all it's playing fields at Woodhall Pudsey up for sale.

Don’t know who you’re talking to but you hear wrong. The university is doing ok these days, it’s increased student numbers year on year and has increased staff numbers in recent times. Bradford being one of the cheaper places in the area to live has also helped it during the cost of living crisis. Now they aren’t going to be buying up swathes of land in the area and are subject to the same energy increases we all are but they are going ok. Regarding its sporting links they recently upgraded its partnership with Bradford City, becoming their principle back of shirt sponsor for the next 3 seasons. The Bulls have been approached previously to discuss link ups but there hasn’t been much appetite to take it further from the clubs point of view.

And if Woodhall fields are up for sale it isn’t the uni selling them, they sold them to Leeds city council about 6 years ago. Now they are an organisation that is skint so it wouldn’t shock me of they are trying to offload them again.

[Bullseye]

Re: Odsal lease up for sale : Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:14 am  

Didn't know Woodhall had been sold to Leeds.

My info from Bradford Uni comes from a variety of staff there who are very demoralised.

Re: Odsal lease up for sale : Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:47 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Didn't know Woodhall had been sold to Leeds.

My info from Bradford Uni comes from a variety of staff there who are very demoralised.

Working in Bradford can do that to a person.

[Bullseye]

Re: Odsal lease up for sale : Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:46 pm  

The issue at the uni stems from very poor leadership from the previous vice chancellor.

Re: Odsal lease up for sale : Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:22 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

The issue at the uni stems from very poor leadership from the previous vice chancellor.

Having worked for that previous VC before (not at Bradford) I can sympathise with that. However, the new VC and leadership team seem to have a good reputation across the Yorkshire network of Uni's.

I am also lead to believe that the financial performance at UoB is pretty good of the back of an increase in student numbers and positive faculty changes. They are also working up their next uni strategy so this would seem like the most suitable time to be having a discussion about any collaboration opportunities.

Re: Odsal lease up for sale : Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:28 pm  

Dunkirk Spirit wrote:

Thank you for your honest reply, and those people at the RFL (some have already been removed wi a golden handshake). wonder why the majority of RL fans also have no faith in the game’s administrators. See you at Belle Vue next season, providing those same administrators don’t cock up the championship and league one structure.

Talking of loans etc for buying stadiums leases, what is the situation with Wakefield and the loan from Wakefield Council? Seem to recall there being some sort of investigation into the sale of Belle Vue but it seemed to go quiet? Do Wakefield still owe the council the money?

Re: Odsal lease up for sale : Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:07 pm  

Bully_Boxer wrote: Talking of loans etc for buying stadiums leases, what is the situation with Wakefield and the loan from Wakefield Council? Seem to recall there being some sort of investigation into the sale of Belle Vue but it seemed to go quiet? Do Wakefield still owe the council the money? Trinity are paying the council, the council can call in the loan is trinity default on payment. No action was taken against Trinity by the NCA, but Manni Hussain had to pay them several millions of £ under the unexplained wealth rule. https://www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/spor ... al-2891999

Bully_Boxer wrote: Talking of loans etc for buying stadiums leases, what is the situation with Wakefield and the loan from Wakefield Council? Seem to recall there being some sort of investigation into the sale of Belle Vue but it seemed to go quiet? Do Wakefield still owe the council the money? Trinity are paying the council, the council can call in the loan is trinity default on payment. No action was taken against Trinity by the NCA, but Manni Hussain had to pay them several millions of £ under the unexplained wealth rule. https://www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/spor ... al-2891999

Re: Odsal lease up for sale : Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:42 pm  

bullinenemyland wrote:

Having worked for that previous VC before (not at Bradford) I can sympathise with that. However, the new VC and leadership team seem to have a good reputation across the Yorkshire network of Uni's.

I am also lead to believe that the financial performance at UoB is pretty good of the back of an increase in student numbers and positive faculty changes. They are also working up their next uni strategy so this would seem like the most suitable time to be having a discussion about any collaboration opportunities.

Yes it’s fair to say the last VC wasn’t up to the task. But things have improved markedly over the last 4 to 5 years to a point where they are in a pretty decent place. A link up would be beneficial for both parties but the Bulls have seemed lukewarm to the idea for some reason.