Re: Why was promotion and relegation scrapped? : Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:36 am  

The game has been in fact littered with excellent Bradford products which circumstances meant we couldn't keep, Leon Pryce, Sam Burgess, Tom Burgess, George Burgess, Jamie Peacock, John Bateman, Ryan Atkins, Chris Bridge, Brett Ferres, Elliott Whitehead, it's a long list.

And it is of course the "shenanigans" that have cost us many of these players over the years, we've paid a very heavy price, repeatedly, for shenanigans. Shenanigans have been more than fully paid for. But like a payday loan with 3000% interest it's the gift which keeps on taking.

Re: Why was promotion and relegation scrapped? : Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:56 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

But like a payday loan with 3000% interest it's the gift which keeps on taking.

Quite fitting that we're sponsored by Provident.

Re: Why was promotion and relegation scrapped? : Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:25 pm  

Who's our new sponsor that's being announced at the weekend, anyone?

Re: Why was promotion and relegation scrapped? : Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:09 pm  

As well as having had good players can we have any kudos for producing good coaches from our good players - e.g. Brian McDermott, Paul Anderson, Jimmy Lowes (sorry, had to sneak that one in)

Re: Why was promotion and relegation scrapped? : Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:24 am  

Smack him Jimmy wrote:

As well as having had good players can we have any kudos for producing good coaches from our good players - e.g. Brian McDermott, Paul Anderson, Jimmy Lowes (sorry, had to sneak that one in)

You forgot the established coach of the international team

Re: Why was promotion and relegation scrapped? : Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:57 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

You forgot the established coach of the international team

No he did not. If you re-read his post you will see that he was talking about developing good coaches out of our good players.

McNamara does not meet this criteria in any way so he was rightfully omitted from the examples provided.

Re: Why was promotion and relegation scrapped? : Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:36 pm  

Sure. McNamara was a completely useless player, his record speaks for itself, and having coached England to a great performance and agonizingly unlucky last minute defeat to the World Champions, is clearly useless at that too.

Also, you don't need to have been a "good player" to make it as a coach.

Re: Why was promotion and relegation scrapped? : Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:06 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Sure. McNamara was a completely useless player, his record speaks for itself, and having coached England to a great performance and agonizingly unlucky last minute defeat to the World Champions, is clearly useless at that too.

Also, you don't need to have been a "good player" to make it as a coach.

I never said that you had to have been a good player in order to make a good coach so I would appreciate it if you did not make the suggestion that I did. I also never questioned his ability as a player.

As a coach though he led us from being World Champions to a laughing stock, won us nothing and has managed to lead England to a terrific third place finish in a tournament that only three teams have any chance of winning, AT HOME, to a team that were then utterly mullered in the final.

Yeah. Terrific.

Re: Why was promotion and relegation scrapped? : Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:57 pm  

mystic eddie wrote:

I never said that you had to have been a good player in order to make a good coach so I would appreciate it if you did not make the suggestion that I did.

With respect, I made no such suggestion. I simply made a valid observation.

mystic eddie wrote:

I also never questioned his ability as a player.

With respect, you plainly did:

mystic eddie wrote:

he was talking about developing good coaches out of our good players.

McNamara does not meet this criteria in any way

Re: Why was promotion and relegation scrapped? : Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:20 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

With respect, you plainly did:

He does not make in any way because he is not a good coach.

As you well know.

Fancy you being pedantic FA.