Re: Fans Meeting Monday : Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:21 pm  

bobsmyuncle wrote:

Perhaps Bull Builder have been remiss in not organising a similar meeting

Personally again:

I will argue not at all; but look out for a statement shortly which should both clarify that point and provide some background for the forthcoming meeting.

Can the meeting organisers please post the agenda? So those attending have the opportunity for any necessary preparation and maybe research? I understand it is up on Facebook, which is of little use to those of us who do not us FB.

Re: Fans Meeting Monday : Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:58 pm  

See here for information and explanation on the view and actions of the Bullbuilder board, up to now.

See here for information and explanation on the view and actions of the Bullbuilder board, up to now.

Re: Fans Meeting Monday : Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:33 pm  

Thanks Adey,
It fairly explains the limitation of legal remit the Bradford Bulls Supporters Trust presently hold. and why they are legally impotent in other respects atm.

Agreed, I'd like to see an agenda for the GuidePostMeet. Nothing on Facebook yet.

Re: Fans Meeting Monday : Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:40 pm  

I would like to hear by the end of the weekend if Mr Caisley's consortium are looking to put a bid to the administrator or not.

I think we deserve at least that. I think he has his number !!!

Re: Fans Meeting Monday : Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:21 pm  

Adeybull wrote: See here for information and explanation on the view and actions of the Bullbuilder board, up to now. Reading the statement it still seems to have a strong presumption that someone is going to come in with sufficient cash to buy the company from the administrator and keep our current status albeit with a reduced cost base (= weaker team). I hope this much at least turns out to be the case but I get the feeling that even such a "white knight" will not have much working capital to inject and the situation will continue to be uncertain. So I would argue that some extra injection from the fans would bring a degree of extra stabilty, reassure potential sponsors/investors and maybe allow us to retain a more competitive squad - but in exchange for something more tangible - say shares for Bullbuilder and a place on the board. So I am not suggesting a supporters trust take over - but a middle way between that and the rather optimisitic hope we get a new owner who champion of virtue and quite happy to bung in £2m a year to the club.

Adeybull wrote: See here for information and explanation on the view and actions of the Bullbuilder board, up to now. Reading the statement it still seems to have a strong presumption that someone is going to come in with sufficient cash to buy the company from the administrator and keep our current status albeit with a reduced cost base (= weaker team). I hope this much at least turns out to be the case but I get the feeling that even such a "white knight" will not have much working capital to inject and the situation will continue to be uncertain. So I would argue that some extra injection from the fans would bring a degree of extra stabilty, reassure potential sponsors/investors and maybe allow us to retain a more competitive squad - but in exchange for something more tangible - say shares for Bullbuilder and a place on the board. So I am not suggesting a supporters trust take over - but a middle way between that and the rather optimisitic hope we get a new owner who champion of virtue and quite happy to bung in £2m a year to the club.

Re: Fans Meeting Monday : Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:52 pm  

Northernrelic wrote:

and the rather optimisitic hope we get a new owner who champion of virtue and quite happy to bung in £2m a year to the club.

Is not going to happen. Sugar Daddies in other SL Clubs are already making ominous sounds about pulling out.

Whatever cash might now be raised from fans would in no way be sufficient to affect the power players in this game.
Certainly they would not wish devolve shares to anyone outside of their dealings.

Re: Fans Meeting Monday : Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:06 pm  

bobsmyuncle wrote:

Is not going to happen. Sugar Daddies in other SL Clubs are already making ominous sounds about pulling out.

Whatever cash might now be raised from fans would in no way be sufficient to affect the power players in this game.
Certainly they would not wish devolve shares to anyone outside of their dealings.

I don't think the "sugar daddy" was ever even remotely possible for Bradford that's why I said it was the extreme chance - and it looks like the current ones at other clubs are going down with SL diabetes.

So a club which balances it's books from it's gate money and TV cash will be well placed to survive the storm about to hit professional sport.

Sound management and a solid fan base - forget the wealthy benefactors

Re: Fans Meeting Monday : Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:29 pm  

rambull1967 wrote:

I would like to hear by the end of the weekend if Mr Caisley's consortium are looking to put a bid to the administrator or not.
I think we deserve at least that. I think he has his number !!!

We fans deserve a lot more but we are'nt going be even considered in the endgame and we'll get no information until the top dogs have made a deal. There will be deal, there will be players in the shadows.
Where that leaves Bradford Bulls as a rugby team remains to seen.

Re: Fans Meeting Monday : Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:56 am  

The Bullbuilder statement is realistic. No way can it get involved in any form of takeover, given the time factor and particularly the scale of any such action in view of its limited full-time management resources and constitutional complexities.
To be effective in any future Bulls reformation, a priority must be to establishe a firm and clean line of communication between Bullbuilder and any new management, once known, at the earliest opportunity. My experience is that this is vital.

Re: Fans Meeting Monday : Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:45 am  

Peter Hood made reference, just before Bullmageddon, to a future new model for ownership. I suspect that the long term future will indeed require a new ownership model. And it becomes increasingly clear to me that, in the absence of a sugar daddy, that model will have to involve the fans in some measure.

It has also been pretty clear to me that such a new model will take time and care to determine and establish.

Born out of a crisis maybe, I have never believed that a satisfactory sustainable long-term solution could be forged in the middle of a crisis. We need someone to put the fires out for now and buy enough time to do it properly. This is what I suspect the RFL may have been alluding to the other day.

Indeed, in supporting the pledge I hoped that that was what we were doing, although the Intervention seems to have put paid to that.

Maybe, just maybe, someone - I do not see how it can be the fans in the first instance, it has to be someone ready willing and immediately able to step in and finance and run it from day 1 - has the same idea. And will seek engagement with the fans about turning the club into some form of co- operative model for the longer term. That of course is where the vehicle of a supporters trust comes to the fore.

But we need that first step. Someone to buy us time to complete the season, whilst the future is put together. Which means someone who is prepared to themselves stand back in the future, once their transitional role has been completed.

If there is such a person out there, prepared to make a bid now and on that basis, they have every chance of being lauded by history in the same way as the great Trevor Foster has been. I think there might just be such a person, and if so that person would have my full support and to the best of my abilities.

Go on - you know you want to!

And Mr. Guilfoyle is of course obligated to consider any reasonable proposals, even if not what was expected, so it is not too late.