Re: Bulls Takeover : Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:44 pm  

nestegg wrote:

We collectively say thank you.

Time for all of us, inc 'us' to be a tad more polite. If you think we are off the deep end than as Pumpety advises 'ignore' us. We won't be hurt !

As an outsider what you’re doing is immoral.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:46 pm  

bullinenemyland wrote:

DM on its way pal as I'd love to know who the twisted shysters are!!!

I've tried to stay out of the conversation as I didn't think adding my own opinions and thoughts would have helped right now. Clearly there is some serious trolling going on here which needs to be put to a stop.

It's out and out dangerous... and cruel. We are talking about peoples livelihoods; jobs, homes, families, personal mental wellbeing... all effected by the constant drivel being spouted off. They should be treated with respect and dignity, not tossed about like a joke on social media.

Roger, I don't personally know you (I know who you are from here and know you by face from seeing you and Elliot in the bar after games... don't worry, I'm not a stalker I promise), but please know that there are lots on here very appreciative of what you bring to the group and also that think a hell of a lot of your lad. Nobody deserves to go what you are all going through and its genuinely heartbreaking as a fan to read what you posted about him growing up wanting to play for the club, being proud to put on the shirt and be captain.

My only hope is that whatever the outcome is, we can have something that we all jointly feel proud to be associated with and maybe a club that Elliot feels proud to don the shirt and lead the team once again.

I'm acutely aware that that may not be possible, but none the less that is my own personal hope.

Thank you very much for the kind words, really do appreciate everything that is getting said, very overwhelming again.

I must of had 40 people message me today and I’ve told everyone what I know, and the reaction has been the same from everyone, as well as all the nice comments too.
If I can tell the truth on what I know, I will do. Not prepared to see anybody taken in by people’s lies. Think those days have gone now.

Elliot text me again from holiday today to see if I’ve heard anything about what’s happening, what a joke

Re: Bulls Takeover : Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:03 pm  

roger daly wrote:

Elliot text me again from holiday today to see if I’ve heard anything about what’s happening, what a joke

I've always said I'm happy to give new owners the benefit of the doubt right at the start and "give them a chance". I've done it with every one of them so far. But each time new owners come in, they end up on thinner and thinner ice, purely because of what's come before them and through no fault of their own.

So these new people if they do indeed complete the takeover start on ice that is pretty much already making cracking noises thanks to Hood, Khan, Green & Chalmers. The fact they're throwing a fans' forum before they've even completed a takeover, and saying they're going to talk to fans without having spoken to employees yet, doesn't fill me with confidence. Anyone employed by the club, from the head coach to the captain of the first team to the ever loved tea lady, should be having regular communication as to the status of their livelihoods and the status of any monies they are owed. Sure, we fans want to know what's happening, but frankly we're not as important as the people employed by the club. When someone of a pretty high status within those employees is completely in the dark, it doesn't really give a lot of hope.

Fingers are crossed for all the staff right now whose ability to pay their bills may depend on the decisions made.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:13 pm  

Apart from the reference lumping in Omar with the others, which is unfair, I couldn't agree more.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:14 pm  

bullinenemyland wrote:

DM on its way pal as I'd love to know who the twisted shysters are!!!

I've tried to stay out of the conversation as I didn't think adding my own opinions and thoughts would have helped right now. Clearly there is some serious trolling going on here which needs to be put to a stop.

It's out and out dangerous... and cruel. We are talking about peoples livelihoods; jobs, homes, families, personal mental wellbeing... all effected by the constant drivel being spouted off. They should be treated with respect and dignity, not tossed about like a joke on social media.

Roger, I don't personally know you (I know who you are from here and know you by face from seeing you when going through your bins... don't worry, I'm not a stalker I promise), but please know that there are lots on here very appreciative of what you bring to the group and also that think a hell of a lot of your lad. Nobody deserves to go what you are all going through and its genuinely heartbreaking as a fan to read what you posted about him growing up wanting to play for the club, being proud to put on the shirt and be captain.

My only hope is that whatever the outcome is, we can have something that we all jointly feel proud to be associated with and maybe a club that Elliot feels proud to don the shirt and lead the team once again.

I'm acutely aware that that may not be possible, but none the less that is my own personal hope.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:16 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Apart from the reference lumping in Omar with the others, which is unfair, I couldn't agree more.

In fairness, with Omar I never thought of him as crooked. Just massively out of his depth. I know he was screwed over in various things, but I don't think he was ever really up to the job. But I don't hold the same disdain towards him as I do other individuals, so yeah maybe it's fair point that he shouldn't be in with them. I really just included him because it was another failed effort that made people that bit more sceptical.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:18 pm  

Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:

:SHHH:

Ha. I wondered who that was

Re: Bulls Takeover : Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:20 pm  

RichardPLan wrote:

Surely each one of these posts shows how toxic the club is we have no real idea who runs the club as fans we are drip feed information limited to us expected to feed the club/rfl whilst keept in the dark.
When things go wrong no decent investigation/jerno manages to give a fully accountable picture and anyone who dares talk gets shot down.

For instance would nestegg give us fans a more detailed answer for who funded the pot of money used for the startup of the Charmers era and how duffy still manages to be employed even after countless examples of miss player welfare accross several disappointing bulls reincarnations.

Happy to.

1) Re Chalmers 'pot of money' - AC had no meaningful money to invest. Lowe c/o the NZ based Orcas Rugby League Limited was just a transitional figurehead.

We are aware that most (if not all) of the money came (and we feel we don't even need to add 'alleged' to this observation) from ..... yes you guessed it .. the RFL.

Because of the failure of BBNL in circa 11/16 the HMRC (who lost hundreds of thousand due to Green and got BBNL wound up - c/o a WUP) would rightfully not deal with Chalmers (who was in reality lined up to takeover the Bulls in mid 2016). The HMRC needed some form of guarantor because AC had no meaningful UK track record (other than dabbling with Salford), and no meaningful cash. Spin is not cash.

Anyhow, a sum of circa at least £300-£400K was we understand stumped up by the RFL to the HMRC as a bond/guarantee to cover the HMRC in the event of yet another Bulls failure. Also the banks wouldn't deal with the toxic brand that had become the Bulls, and thus the club had for quite a while to use the, or a, RFL bank account to trade.

How kind that was of the RFL. That said, it probably helped that AC was (and we believe still is) a close friend of the RFL's former Chief Exec. We also understand the RFL 'loaned' the club circa £350K, but we have no proof of any such transfer of funds.

We are confident that no other prospective owner would have been treated so favourably, nor any other club. That may in part explain why some other clubs don't 'like' us.

Fact is that a certain David Thorne should have taken over the club and if he had done we would now most likely be in good, if not very good, shape. Thorne had major backers and an excellent back history of rugby club turnarounds (better also - allegedly - than CB). Why even the BBNL administrator, the unfairly maligned Gary Petit, vehemently recommended to the RFL that Thorne get our club. The RFL in effect ignored Gary's recommendation; they had we firmly believe (and we have evidence to affirm the same) already chosen the man who was to succeed Green a few months prior to throwing BBNL under a bus, i.e. AC. Why was that ? We and others know, but at this time cannot reveal why in a public forum; it can hopefully wait for a court hearing.

2) Duffy - only a short answer necessary. We have been repeatedly informed that he may have some 'dirt' on a certain high ranking person. Regardless of Stuart's apparent shortcomings (inc as you say 'player welfare' etc), and the fact that most of the players appear to ignore him, he still stays in post. No owner in their right mind would continue to employ such an allegedly spent force, and in particular businesses that are heavily in debt, as have been the Bulls for many years and through successive owner incarnations. We are aware that Duffy slagged off the aforementioned David Thorne's well meaning and well founded interest in the club, and we are told that Stuart went out of his way to spread malicious dirt around about Thorne - is SD a(nother) puppet?.

Maybe somebody should ask CB tomorrow eve and on Wed eve what added value Duffy has added to the club in recent years, and is Stuart to be a key/central figure in the club's rebirth (as CB would like to have us believe) moving forward?

Also you may want to ask CB who is Mark Wallace; what role will he play in the club, and is he related to Shane Spencer, formerly of the genuinely maligned Austria-Holdings UK Ltd? Mark W does after all bear a remarkable resemblance to Shane.

We are advised that the above is the best that we can do for now. Hope that helps RichardPLan .

Re: Bulls Takeover : Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:21 pm  

Well im going to have to say im done with this forum.

I feel completely let down buy the moderators on this page.
Its clear to eveyone there is one clown on this page whos sole focus is to stir trouble and cause unrest yet the mods are continuing to let this happen.

Us supporters are doing it tough again and we want answers not more runour and lies which is what this person is causing. In all honesty i think the mods are just as bad as the one individual on here for letting this vitrol continue.

Ive had enough. I feel ive been driven away, which is a shame as ive grown to enjoy interacting with people on this page.

With that ill bid you all fairwell and live in hope we still have a club to watch next season.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:26 pm  

nestegg wrote:

Happy to.

1) Re Chalmers 'pot of money' - AC had no meaningful money to invest. Lowe c/o the NZ based Orcas Rugby League Limited was just a transitional figurehead.

We are aware that most (if not all) of the money came (and we feel we don't even need to add 'alleged' to this observation) from ..... yes you guessed it .. the RFL.

Because of the failure of BBNL in circa 11/16 the HMRC (who lost hundreds of thousand due to Green and got BBNL wound up - c/o a WUP) would rightfully not deal with Chalmers (who was in reality lined up to takeover the Bulls in mid 2016). This was because AC had no meaningful UK track record (other than dabbling with Salford), and no meaningful cash. Spin is not cash.

Anyhow, a sum of circa at least £300-£400K was we understand stumped up by the RFL to the HMRC as a bond/guarantee to cover the HMRC in the event of yet another Bulls failure. Also the banks wouldn't deal with the toxic brand that had become the Bulls, and thus the club had for quite a while to use the, or a, RFL bank account to trade.

How kind of the RFL. That said, it probably helped that AC was (and we believe still is) a close friend of the RFL's former Chief Exec. We also understand the RFL 'loaned' the club circa £350K, but we have no proof of any such transfer of funds.

We are confident that no other prospective owner would have been treated so favourably, nor any other club. That may in part explain why some other clubs don't 'like' us.

Fact is that a certain David Thorne should have taken over the club and if he had done we would now most likely be in good, if not very good, shape. Thorne had major backers and an excellent back history of rugby club turnarounds (better also - allegedly - than CB). Why even the BBNL administrator, the unfairly maligned Gary Petit, vehemently recommended to the RFL that Thorne get our club. The RFL in effect ignored Gary's recommendation; they had we firmly believe (and we have evidence to affirm the same) already chosen the man who was to succeed Green a few months prior to throwing BBNL under a bus. Why was that ? We and others know, but at this time cannot reveal why in a public forum; it can hopefully wait for a court hearing.

2) Duffy - only a short answer necessary. We have been repeatedly informed that he may have some 'dirt' on a certain high ranking person. Regardless of his Stuart's apparent shortcomings (inc as you say 'player welfare'), and the fact that most of the players appear to ignore him, he still stays in post. No owner in their right mind would continue to employ such an allegedly spent force, and in particular businesses that are heavily in debt, as have been the Bulls for many years and through successive owner incarnations. We are aware that Duffy slagged off the aforementioned David Thorne's well meaning and well founded interest in the club, and we are told that Stuart went out of his to spread malicious dirt around about Thorne - is SD a(nother) puppet?. Maybe somebody should ask CB tomorrow eve and on Wed eve what added value Duffy has added to the club in recent years, and is Stuart to be a key/central figure in the club's rebirth (as CB would like to have us believe) moving forward?

We are advised that the above is the best that we can do for now. Hope that helps RichardPLan .

Have you fixed your glasses pal?