Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:52 am  

Eastern Wildcat wrote:

I would review the playing roster,

This has already happened. I've been told that the 16/17 squad wage spend is £500k-600k cheaper than the 15/16 wage spend.

Now, the next question is how much money was wasted on the 45+ playing roster of the 15/16 squad, and the answer is obviously £500k-600k....

I think everyone who watched the bulls last season could see we weren't getting value for money

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:58 am  

There are a number of problems and no easy answers. The RFL have tried to help Bradford they didn't loan Bradford money with the ground as security without Bradford asking for it and the RFL didn't plan on it owning the ground but the more they have tried to help the worse the problem has got. The best thing the RFL can do is sell off the ground to stop you having to play there.

The new owners seem to be making the same noises other have, if the RFL fines us and taken money off us if will be unfair, however someone has to stop clubs getting in debt folding and writing debts off. So whoever takes over will need serious cash not a wing and a promise.

I thing they would need £1m to get you out of admin and if they honour season tickets will probably run at £2m loss this year. Koukash probably regrets owning a club that doesn't own it's ground so I can't see him picking up another club with the same issues. I really hope you come out of this but I can't see as it been a sound investment so it needs someone with cash and a view that they are in it for the love of the club.

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:03 am  

The general maintenance of Odsal plus the costs for opening on game day, stewards etc, make it very expensive and unsustainable. Going part time would not see crowds drop below 1000 as the past two years have shown the Bulls hardcore support is about 2.5 - 3k.

Staying full time now is not logical imho, the wage bill for players alone is about £900,000 and the coaching staff will be around the £300,000 mark. This is based on Head Coach £50-70k, Assistant Coach £35k, S&C Coach £35-40k, Physio £30-35k, Head of Youth £40-50k, plus all your other assistants and it amounts to an unmanageable amount. Problem is these are standard wages for a full time set up, certainly one that is always 'pushing' for promotion.

A complete clear out and restructuring of all finances to manageable levels is what is needed, not someone who says 'we'll stabilise and push for Promotion'.

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:17 am  

I think previous success creates a pressure at Bradford other teams don't have. While in SL there was a pressure to remain one of the big 4 so over investment in the playing squad and the pressure on the board led to over stretched finances. This led to other issues. The expectation that you would push to come straight back led to other issues and trying to go blow for blow with a team with more money Leigh causes new issues.

I know Hull KR are now where they are, but last time they were down they started with young players that they would develop and took it very slowly. But they went away from that when the were in SL and risked it with imported players.

You should have the clout and company brand to get the best of young British and build the team of tomorrow.

[Bullseye]

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:17 am  

el red wrote:

The general maintenance of Odsal plus the costs for opening on game day, stewards etc, make it very expensive and unsustainable. Going part time would not see crowds drop below 1000 as the past two years have shown the Bulls hardcore support is about 2.5 - 3k.

Staying full time now is not logical imho, the wage bill for players alone is about £900,000 and the coaching staff will be around the £300,000 mark. This is based on Head Coach £50-70k, Assistant Coach £35k, S&C Coach £35-40k, Physio £30-35k, Head of Youth £40-50k, plus all your other assistants and it amounts to an unmanageable amount. Problem is these are standard wages for a full time set up, certainly one that is always 'pushing' for promotion.

A complete clear out and restructuring of all finances to manageable levels is what is needed, not someone who says 'we'll stabilise and push for Promotion'.

Think our clearout in terms of playing staff has got salaries down massively (apparently £600k off the total bill). Think your estimate for coaching staff is a bit high. We don't actually have some of those positions.

Do you think the Bulls hardcore support will stay at 2.5 to 3k if we go part time? You're kidding yourself. Quite a few are now disillusioned as a result of this episode. Going part time will put more off. We'll be lucky to have a 1000.

I think your broader point about restructuring is what any new owner would need to do anyway.

[Bullseye]

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:23 am  

Dannyboywt wrote:

I think previous success creates a pressure at Bradford other teams don't have. While in SL there was a pressure to remain one of the big 4 so over investment in the playing squad and the pressure on the board led to over stretched finances. This led to other issues. The expectation that you would push to come straight back led to other issues and trying to go blow for blow with a team with more money Leigh causes new issues.

I know Hull KR are now where they are, but last time they were down they started with young players that they would develop and took it very slowly. But they went away from that when the were in SL and risked it with imported players.

You should have the clout and company brand to get the best of young British and build the team of tomorrow.

We have one of the best youth setups in the country. One of the most disappointing things to me personally is seeing this all go potentially down the toilet since the penny has dropped at the club that to progress we need to produce our own players.


Unfortunately that will all go if we don’t get a saviour. I’m not sure what pulling power we’d have for young players if we were part time and couldn’t offer the coaching or facilities we have now.

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:58 am  

The council need to flog Horsfall for housing and use the money to re-develop Odsal with Park Avenue playing there. The RFL could do their bit by moving their HQ to Odsal and setting up a centre of excellence and also use the stadium for finals and showpiece events etc.

(Fag packet solution).

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:04 am  

Not many clubs in SL have the money to focus on second team and youth set up. The teams that do have long standing set ups like Wigan. Many youngsters are looking for clubs. It many means a couple of years in the wilderness with a low budget first team squad and missing the top 4.

But if the club are open with the fans and give these youngsters a chance who is to say the fans will not buy in the fans need to consider if they support the club through think and thin or are just in it for the glory. We are nearly in 2017 and the here and the now is what it is. Past counts for nothing and there fix will be slow but rewarding.

[Bullseye]

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:29 pm  

Not sure I understand what you're saying in that post sorry.

Re: Administration 3 - now in technicolour : Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:08 pm  

bullsonfire wrote:

The council need to flog Horsfall for housing and use the money to re-develop Odsal with Park Avenue playing there. The RFL could do their bit by moving their HQ to Odsal and setting up a centre of excellence and also use the stadium for finals and showpiece events etc.

(Fag packet solution).

The solution of the RFL making Odsal the Wembley of the North, playing all finals there and moving HQ, actually has some substance IMHO