: Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:38 am  

vp is ok as a footy ground, i attended every home game when last there,but for me i would like to stay at odsal.not only because it's near but the problems we had getting to & from the stadium,the friday night games were horrendous plus walking back to your car only to find it had been either vandalised or broken in to, and on two occations myself & family verbally abused.A community ground would be a viable option if suitable agreement on all sides could be reached, i'm sure funding could be found from sales of grounds and private investment.

: Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:34 am  

The JCT 600 Stadium?

: Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:44 pm  

Bully_Boxer wrote:

The JCT 600 Stadium?

It will be slap bang in the middle of the city park and the Westfield shopping centre, and will be officially opened in the year Bradford is European City of Culture, before hosting that years Commonwealth Games.

Access will be made easy by the new combined central railway station, or by people hitching a ride on the back of one of the thousands of flying pigs.

: Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:40 pm  

Asim wrote:

It will be slap bang in the middle of the city park and the Westfield shopping centre, and will be officially opened in the year Bradford is European City of Culture, before hosting that years Commonwealth Games.

Access will be made easy by the new combined central railway station, or by people hitching a ride on the back of one of the thousands of flying pigs.

have you got a crystal ball

: Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:31 pm  

Liane wrote:

If we moved to valley parade i do think a lot of away support would dwindle after what happened last time. The club did everything they could, but the stewards were out of order one time as i was sat with the saints fans.

Personally i didn't like it at Valley Parade, it isn't the same - around odsal you can walk around and you can mix and you don't have to be in the same stand, or be near someone to see them etc. You have the tent too - and the rugby at odsal is about having your different foods etc and i would guess the new stadium would have facilities for that - you haven't a chance of that at Valley Parade. I'd watch Bradford - i always will but i wouldn't be happy. And Sutcliffe has lost a fair few votes within my area and i'm sure more.

As an away fan, I would say Valley Parade is one of the poorest grounds to visit. Difficult to get to, difficult to park, poor view and effectively herded into an area regardless of where you wanted to go or not.

Odsal, is the complete opposite of this and as you say the home support wouldn't alter greatly, the away support would really suffer.

: Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:51 pm  

I dont know how sutcliffe managed to scrape in at the last local elections as quite alot around here voted bnp, bnp got into queensbury etc and thought that would be tory if owt.
Landlord of where we have our club dos and meetings is chairman of bradford bnp, next time im in im gonna ask him his views on the osv and see if he can tell me owt that we dont get to here about.

: Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:16 pm  

getdownmonkeyman wrote:

As an away fan, I would say Valley Parade is one of the poorest grounds to visit. Difficult to get to, difficult to park, poor view and effectively herded into an area regardless of where you wanted to go or not.

Odsal, is the complete opposite of this and as you say the home support wouldn't alter greatly, the away support would really suffer.

I disagree with this point. A lot of home fans put up with VP because it was a temporary measure and we still dropped a lot of fans that even now we are struggling to get back. I think a proposed move to VP could well see our franchise going to South Wales.

: Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:36 pm  

Dan155 wrote:

I understand your concerns but our stewards have improved now. Its not just the bulls fans they were treating badly, they were treating city fans badly, they were bad heavy handed stewards under bad management. However i would certainly prefer a new community stadium outside the city Centre.

It was never just the stewards. It was the location more than anything else. One of the other things which came up again and again was that people did not like the cramped seating and the fact that the Bulls were never allowed to brand the stadium so we were only ever visitors.

interviewed over a hundred Bulls fans when we were there as part of the BISA survey and less than 4% of people I asked said they were happy to stay at VP. A worryingly large percent said they'd stop going to matches if the move became permanent.
The club simply could not survive a move to Valley Parade.
If the council will not develop Odsal then we have no real alternative but to abandon the dream and do as other clubs have done and look for a flat site to develop with the help of sponsorship.

Bradford council are to local government what Basil Faulty was to the leisure industry.

: Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:42 pm  

ritz wrote:

I dont know how sutcliffe managed to scrape in at the last local elections as quite alot around here voted bnp, bnp got into queensbury etc and thought that would be tory if owt.
Landlord of where we have our club dos and meetings is chairman of bradford bnp, next time im in im gonna ask him his views on the osv and see if he can tell me owt that we dont get to here about.

If so many people had really voted bnp then surely they would have been voted in! The figures are widely published!

Very few bnp coucillors ever attend council meetings and from what I've read about them would be lucky to find their own booty with both hands and an atlas.

: Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:52 am  

AndreaB wrote:

If so many people had really voted bnp then surely they would have been voted in! The figures are widely published!

Very few bnp coucillors ever attend council meetings and from what I've read about them would be lucky to find their own booty with both hands and an atlas.

why should they have been voted in just cos loads voted for them, i know the majority of people where i live voted bnp, but areas around me ie horsfall area, st abbs voted labour, majority in woodside voted labour but loads voted bnp, 3000 people could vote bnp but if 3001 voted labour then labour get in, but if that 1 extra person voted bnp then they would get in.