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Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:38 pm  
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It's no different to you donating to charity such as NSPCC and the children benefiting from that. Only difference is, instead of children it's going to staff and players.


It's different in that it's not a registered charity. Which is why I suggest going via Bullbuilder instead.
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Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:41 pm  
Game's off.
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Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:46 pm  
Just a question of those of us who contribute to the weekly lottery.No confirmation ,written or otherwise, regarding it's present situation.Obviously no communication through the Bulls official channels.The monies keep going in and no weekly payouts as far as I am aware, subsequently, have all such contributions disappeared into oblivion or are they held safe towards funding youth development etc.I would not wish in the latter situation, to cancel my direct debit.Therefore I wonder what others have done with regards to their subscriptions.Not sure whether or not it expired along with the Club.
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Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:52 pm  
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I don't, but I'm sure they would be happy to liaise with Batley if it was the best way of processing the money to ensure it got sorted.


If the friendly could be classed as a charity event then in theory gate sales wouldn't be eligible for VAT, however i don't think that this would be allowed as its primary purpose would be a standard sporting event with the majority of proceeds going to batleys company. The amount payable to the players could be paid to a charity, but if they were to then turn it straight over to the players then that would be tax evasion. The money could be paid to BB, but it would have to be used to support their organisational aims (bit of a vague answer but i don't know much about the workings of bullbuilder).

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Why would it be income tax? Batley are not paying them as employees? Therefore it is not an income. If I transferred you some money via a bank transfer, it isn't taxable.


The players would potentially be classed as self employed so income tax would apply based on the profits they make through the provision of their services. Batley wouldn't pay the income tax, that would be on the players to arrange. If you were to transfer me money in return for me providing a service then it would be taxable.
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Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:04 pm  
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Game's off.



Really? Where have you seen that?
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Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:09 pm  
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Really? Where have you seen that?


Danny Lockwood's Twitter

https://twitter.com/danlocky1/with_replies?lang=en

Apparently, can't raise a team. I suspect not enough people willing to play with either no insurance or no adequate insurance. Not surprised frankly - anyone getting a serious injury would end up not getting a contract either with us or someone else
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Really? Where have you seen that?


Danny Lockwood's Twitter

https://twitter.com/danlocky1/with_replies?lang=en

Apparently, can't raise a team. I suspect not enough people willing to play with either no insurance or no adequate insurance. Not surprised frankly - anyone getting a serious injury would end up not getting a contract either with us or someone else
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Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:18 pm  
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Danny Lockwood's Twitter

https://twitter.com/danlocky1/with_replies?lang=en

Apparently, can't raise a team. I suspect not enough people willing to play with either no insurance or no adequate insurance. Not surprised frankly - anyone getting a serious injury would end up not getting a contract either with us or someone else

Or they have found other clubs.
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Danny Lockwood's Twitter

https://twitter.com/danlocky1/with_replies?lang=en

Apparently, can't raise a team. I suspect not enough people willing to play with either no insurance or no adequate insurance. Not surprised frankly - anyone getting a serious injury would end up not getting a contract either with us or someone else

Or they have found other clubs.
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Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:21 pm  
Moss might be on his way to another championship club according to JD at radio Leeds
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Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:27 pm  
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The players would potentially be classed as self employed so income tax would apply based on the profits they make through the provision of their services. Batley wouldn't pay the income tax, that would be on the players to arrange. If you were to transfer me money in return for me providing a service then it would be taxable.


Potentially is the word there. They wouldn't be self employed. They are unemployed. No links to employment anywhere. They aren't 'earning' the money through work and labour and then paid by employees. They have been invited to play/represent a select XI without pay (unless RL Cares have paid this months wages like they did in December).

Batley would pay income tax on the money earned from the gates. For example they earn £100,000 on the gate. They pay (for example) 10% VAT. So £10,000 goes to HMRC. They have £90,000 profit. Batley would then be giving £45,000 of their profit away to the players and staff of Bradford who are unemployed. They are not paying for a service as this implies employment, they are not paying for their labour and employment. They are offering a gift of money. That money has already been taxed. It won't be taxed again.

Anyway this debate is mute as the game is off haha.

On another note I hope this doesn't affect Batley too much in terms of money lost and spare a thought for Ravensport? for preparing a kit for us for free as well. Hope it didn't cost them too much!
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Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:30 pm  
This whole situation is a depressing joke...I dread to think how the remaining lads are feeling.
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