Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:27 pm  

Highlander wrote:

A community stadium with 3 shares, for Bulls, council and BPA if they wished (bit like the Huddersfield original stadium model) would be a good option

Spot on Highlander. 'We' agree. As we keep saying .... watch this (community) space.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:41 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

I suspect you are no different to his brother 'Anyone' in hoping that 'S.O. Else' is going to install the club in new premises.

The council has no money since, after the reduction in monies from central government, they are juggling the figures to just pay for statutory requirements, let alone build grounds. Without commercial backing that is a non-starter, I'm afraid. Of course the council has other things it could offer, like land, but that too must come at a price, or some attached commercial deal, in these straightened times.

Maybe that 'commercial' helping hand is you? Oh Jeez, I hope you're not the front for some hedge fund.....we definitely wouldn't be amused at that!

Noted Bulliac. You may be in the right ballpark

You are right; the Council has no money, but others do. Nonetheless, a new Bulls stadium, or a refurbished multi-purpose Odsal needs the full cross party backing of the Council. So as for the Council, it's not about the money .... it's about offering the strategic and community support that we need. That said, 'we' are looking to help the Council recover a significant sum of money that may have been mislaid in relation to our club in recent times due to yet another, presently not disclosed, alleged 'administrative error'. Hope that makes sense.

As for hedge fund investments. No Bulliac we are not 'hedge funders'. We'd say that such funds are more associated with Brexit, than the Bradford Bulls, or Odsal lol

Another issue to throw into the ongoing debacle. A reliable source has informed us that some money the club was meant to pay to a 'forces' charity may not have been paid. If true, that may be yet another example of poor business management at our club. Moreover, we are fully aware that sadly there are more 'issues' to be unearthed over the coming days, and weeks. It really is a shame, but we are where we are, and we respectfully maintain that proper change is needed; not just another consortium who in reality may be unduly influenced by the same alleged puppet master who was in 2017 - and up until recently - an advocate of our New Zealand friend. For legal reasons we mention no names in respect of an alleged puppet master, and may we say that it would be best if forum members also desisted from such (potentially libellous speculation. We can leave idle speculation to the pubs and other social get togethers. In effect surely by now it is high time for the Bulls to move onwards and upwards, We fear that unless proper new blood (and significant funds) are not provided then we may for umpteenth time just end up going onwards and sideways, and then in due course fall off yet another cliff.

The Bulls has regrettably become a laughing stock and somewhat of an embarrassment to Bradford Council. Let's put things right.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:24 pm  

Highlander wrote:

Third option is Russ or new owners "find" an account with the exact amount of money in it, say "there it is", silly us, apologise profusely for the administrative error and give the players the option of having their money back (if they sign a letter withdrawing from the scheme) or having it put into the pension scheme, thereby putting the players back into the position they would have been in and making it difficult to prove breach of contract.

That's all I can come up with, but I'm a cynical chap.

Simple answer to that is not allowed, the Pensions regulator will still be all over you - you also conveniently ignore the growth of said money that should have been invested, my personal pension has shown growth of an average 15% year on year over the last 5 years.........

Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:28 pm  

nestegg wrote:

Noted Bulliac. You may be in the right ballpark

You are right; the Council has no money, but others do. Nonetheless, a new Bulls stadium, or a refurbished multi-purpose Odsal needs the full cross party backing of the Council. So as for the Council, it's not about the money .... it's about offering the strategic and community support that we need. That said, 'we' are looking to help the Council recover a significant sum of money that may have been mislaid in relation to our club in recent times due to yet another, presently not disclosed, alleged 'administrative error'. Hope that makes sense.

As for hedge fund investments. No Bulliac we are not 'hedge funders'. We'd say that such funds are more associated with Brexit, than the Bradford Bulls, or Odsal lol

Another issue to throw into the ongoing debacle. A reliable source has informed us that some money the club was meant to pay to a 'forces' charity may not have been paid. If true, that may be yet another example of poor business management at our club. Moreover, we are fully aware that sadly there are more 'issues' to be unearthed over the coming days, and weeks. It really is a shame, but we are where we are, and we respectfully maintain that proper change is needed; not just another consortium who in reality may be unduly influenced by the same alleged puppet master who was in 2017 - and up until recently - an advocate of our New Zealand friend. For legal reasons we mention no names in respect of an alleged puppet master, and may we say that it would be best if forum members also desisted from such (potentially libellous speculation. We can leave idle speculation to the pubs and other social get togethers. In effect surely by now it is high time for the Bulls to move onwards and upwards, We fear that unless proper new blood (and significant funds) are not provided then we may for umpteenth time just end up going onwards and sideways, and then in due course fall off yet another cliff.

The Bulls has regrettably become a laughing stock and somewhat of an embarrassment to Bradford Council. Let's put things right.

You really are in la la land. Let's take Cas' new ground as an example: a benevolent council. corporate backers funded essentially by retail and 5 years down the line........diddly squat.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:48 pm  

Mr Dog wrote:

Simple answer to that is not allowed, the Pensions regulator will still be all over you - you also conveniently ignore the growth of said money that should have been invested, my personal pension has shown growth of an average 15% year on year over the last 5 years.........

Flipping heck that’s good! Please share fund name...

[Bulliac]

Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:50 pm  

Mr Dog wrote:

You really are in la la land. Let's take Cas' new ground as an example: a benevolent council. corporate backers funded essentially by retail and 5 years down the line........diddly squat.

It must be said that the economic cycle isn't in its best position for investment, for business in general and in particular for retail. We had our chance with 'Superdome' but it was 'called in' and the investment disappeared like a rabbit down its hole. There are a few fans a good bit more wealthy than I am but none I can think of with the kind of money to fund a new ground.

If the takeover is completed soon then maybe we'll find out more but I can see 'due diligence' taking a good while if new problems continue coming out of the woodwork. Let's hope it's cleared up before we're due to kick off in Dewsbury.....or we may not be going.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:05 pm  

Billybob1 wrote:

Flipping heck that’s good! Please share fund name...

(Very large) Company appointed fund manager managed (had a few changes over the years including Black Rock, Hargreaves Lansdowne and Aegon). Pretty sure the funds aren't available to the 'general public', I've certainly not been able to source them for the missus. In the 12 years I've been in has done extremely well.......if only I'd invested more

Past performance does not.......

Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:55 pm  

Billybob1 wrote:

Flipping heck that’s good! Please share fund name...

It's called LoadofBoloxPensionFund managed by former BlackRock Pension fund Manager Mr Bullshitter-TheDog'sBolox

Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:58 pm  

nestegg wrote:

Noted Bulliac. You may be in the right ballpark

You are right; the Council has no money, but others do. Nonetheless, a new Bulls stadium, or a refurbished multi-purpose Odsal needs the full cross party backing of the Council. So as for the Council, it's not about the money .... it's about offering the strategic and community support that we need. That said, 'we' are looking to help the Council recover a significant sum of money that may have been mislaid in relation to our club in recent times due to yet another, presently not disclosed, alleged 'administrative error'. Hope that makes sense.

As for hedge fund investments. No Bulliac we are not 'hedge funders'. We'd say that such funds are more associated with Brexit, than the Bradford Bulls, or Odsal lol

Another issue to throw into the ongoing debacle. A reliable source has informed us that some money the club was meant to pay to a 'forces' charity may not have been paid. If true, that may be yet another example of poor business management at our club. Moreover, we are fully aware that sadly there are more 'issues' to be unearthed over the coming days, and weeks. It really is a shame, but we are where we are, and we respectfully maintain that proper change is needed; not just another consortium who in reality may be unduly influenced by the same alleged puppet master who was in 2017 - and up until recently - an advocate of our New Zealand friend. For legal reasons we mention no names in respect of an alleged puppet master, and may we say that it would be best if forum members also desisted from such (potentially libellous speculation. We can leave idle speculation to the pubs and other social get togethers. In effect surely by now it is high time for the Bulls to move onwards and upwards, We fear that unless proper new blood (and significant funds) are not provided then we may for umpteenth time just end up going onwards and sideways, and then in due course fall off yet another cliff.

The Bulls has regrettably become a laughing stock and somewhat of an embarrassment to Bradford Council. Let's put things right.

'We' think you are full of bulls hit. Please leave your business card at the door.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:26 pm  

JTCFJG wrote:

It's called LoadofBoloxPensionFund managed by former BlackRock Pension fund Manager Mr Bullshitter-TheDog'sBolox