[Bullseye]

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:12 pm  

aj cougar wrote:

How can that site on the edge of a district be preferable to one in the centre? Unless you're thinking of making provision for Calderdale now?

I'm not aware of any sites in the centre of the district that are suitable.

Perhaps Odsal is the only site where the council owns land that of sufficient size? It's easy to reach from the city centre by road. It's not on green belt and is in no danger of flooding.

A new stadium next to the motorway network is a potential money spinner for the council too in case it wishes to bid for events, so maybe there is something in it for the non Bulls supporting taxpayer after all? The stadium development will give the council a bigger asset than it currently holds. The KC stadium in Hull is the base for a lot of positive work in the community where various projects and businesses have offices. This could be repeated in Bradford.

If the OSV ends up attracting people from Calderdale or Leeds or anywhere else then surely that's a good thing? They'll be swelling the coffers of Bradford council! That's another benefit to you!

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:49 pm  

aj cougar wrote:

How can that site on the edge of a district be preferable to one in the centre? Unless you're thinking of making provision for Calderdale now?

Edge?

Odsal?

Are you drunk?

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:50 pm  

aj cougar wrote:

No.

And I don't think I'm on record as asking for one.

I would expect that leisure facilities should be raised to a high standard throughout the district, whether it be Odsal or Keighley.

Just for the record:

I am not against new lesiure facilities being built to serve South Bradford, however, if we're being honest, this is a being used as a trojan horse by the Bulls for new facilities for them.

If we accept this, then I am keen to know where will the money be coming from, keeping in mind that they already have accepted a £4.something million payout to look after their own destiny?

Won't a lot of it be privately financed?

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:57 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: Edge? Odsal? Are you drunk? I've been teetotal for a day now. Here's a map, and I reckon Odsal is more or less where the 6036 converges with the 641? http://mediafiles.thedms.co.uk/Publication/YS-Brad/cms/pdf/Bradford-district-map.pdf Edge of district by anyones standards.

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: Edge? Odsal? Are you drunk? I've been teetotal for a day now. Here's a map, and I reckon Odsal is more or less where the 6036 converges with the 641? http://mediafiles.thedms.co.uk/Publication/YS-Brad/cms/pdf/Bradford-district-map.pdf Edge of district by anyones standards.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:58 pm  

debaser wrote:

Won't a lot of it be privately financed?

Well, that's the thing..it's all a bit vague.

Do you have some figures?

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:07 pm  

aj cougar wrote:

I've been teetotal for a day now.

It won't last. I give it till 7pm

aj cougar wrote:

Here's a map, and I reckon Odsal is more or less where the 6036 converges with the 641?

See that orangey circle with "BRADFORD" above it? Well, that's the centre. See the blue line with M606 which almost touches the orange line? Well, that's where Odsal is. It is almost directly central to the district. Unless you're suggesting that the middle of your map, which is Bingley Five Rise Locks, is the true "centre"?

aj cougar wrote:

Edge of district by anyones standards.

Only about as much as Bradford City Centre itself is "edge of district". Which would make your point, er, well, to be polite, balderdash?

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:46 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

It won't last. I give it till 7pm


See that orangey circle with "BRADFORD" above it? Well, that's the centre. See the blue line with M606 which almost touches the orange line? Well, that's where Odsal is. It is almost directly central to the district. Unless you're suggesting that the middle of your map, which is Bingley Five Rise Locks, is the true "centre"?


Only about as much as Bradford City Centre itself is "edge of district". Which would make your point, er, well, to be polite, balderdash?

Sorry I foolishly thought that when we said "edge of district" we meant "edge of district", whereas it would seem we should be referring to "relative to just the city of Bradford and sod the rest".

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:50 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

See that orangey circle with "BRADFORD" above it? Well, that's the centre. See the blue line with M606 which almost touches the orange line?

And while we're on it, that's wrong. My 6036 converging with 641 beats your position hands down.

By at least 200 yards.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:20 pm  

aj cougar wrote:

this is a being used as a trojan horse by the Bulls for new facilities for them.

This has been driven by the council from the start. The Bulls are one interested party of many.

The Richard Dunn loses money because the facilities are so restricted.
The new facilities will serve thousands of people from across the district. It will form part of the sports facilities offered by Bradford College and local (by that I mean district wide) facilities for sports groups.

The vast majority of people who will use the site will not be connected to the bulls in any way at all.
If one of the district football clubs moves in too and at least one local amateur RL team then the usage of the stadium itsself will widen.

If other towns and cites far smaller than Bradford can have sports villages then why should we be denied just because some residents on the other side of the city don't think it's close enough.

The sports village could not be developed at VP or it probably would have already happened. At Odsal we have the space, the motorway access and the interest. The sports centre could be replaced and the valuable land used to help pay for it. Could Keighley offer all that?

[Bullseye]

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:29 pm  

AndreaB wrote:

Could Keighley offer all that?

Of course not!

AJ seems to be saying that the money going towards the OSV from the Council should be shared equally across all facilities across the entire district rather than a big chunk spent in one place because it's too hard to travel from Keighley to Odsal.

This seems to be regardless of need, and regardless of the fact that better facilities could be provided if resources were pooled.

I get the feeling that some folk wouldn't be making any noise at all if there was no stadium as part of the OSV. AJ has already said the scheme is a Trojan Horse for the Bulls. It seems a bit odd that if that were the case why so many organisations would be signing up.

The benefits of a new stadium and the OSV being built would filter down to council tax payers whether they use it or not. It's a good project and I hope it goes ahead.