Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 pm  

So it's confirmed that it will cost £22 to stand on the terrace next season (£20 if you pre-book).

Anyone know how these compare to Dewsbury's prices?

[Pumpetypump]

Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:08 pm  

Nothus wrote:

So it's confirmed that it will cost £22 to stand on the terrace next season (£20 if you pre-book).

Anyone know how these compare to Dewsbury's prices?

Match day admission

North Stand Adult: £20
North Stand Concession*: £15
North Stand under-16s: £4
South Stand and Beaumont Terrace Adult: £18
South Stand and Beaumont Terrace Concession*: £14
South Stand and Beaumont Terrace under-16s: £2

[Bulliac]

Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:57 pm  

rugbyreddog wrote:

Don't want to be a CC apologist but I'm sure if he had realised the ground wouldn't be developed (thanks Morrisons) he would have left things as they were and settled for the income from the 15k crowds.

I'm no Caisley 'hater'. I think he did what he thought best, though I confess I didn't agree with all of it. Indeed, I sang "I'll support you evermore" and lived the 'glory years' to the utmost, with the rest of them.

One thing I would say though, is that the £500K losses went on for five or six years (there my have been the odd year in the middle which wasn't a big loss) starting from the settlement in 2000, so until 2006 (ish) but the Superdome fiasco lasted only for about 2 of those before the writing was on the wall. In fact I gave up on it as soon as they started telling us it might take over from Wembley as the national stadium - As if! I'd guess CC was more than cute enough to know what claptrap they were talking.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:28 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

rugbyreddog wrote:

Don't want to be a CC apologist but I'm sure if he had realised the ground wouldn't be developed (thanks Morrisons) he would have left things as they were and settled for the income from the 15k crowds.

I'm no Caisley 'hater'. I think he did what he thought best, though I confess I didn't agree with all of it. Indeed, I sang "I'll support you evermore" and lived the 'glory years' to the utmost, with the rest of them.

One thing I would say though, is that the £500K losses went on for five or six years (there my have been the odd year in the middle which wasn't a big loss) starting from the settlement in 2000, so until 2006 (ish) but the Superdome fiasco lasted only for about 2 of those before the writing was on the wall. In fact I gave up on it as soon as they started telling us it might take over from Wembley as the national stadium - As if! I'd guess CC was more than cute enough to know what claptrap they were talking.

I'm pretty sure the Superdome was conceived in the early/ mid 90's when there was bidding contest to build a new national stadium. I think Odsal and Birmingham were the bids outside London and the scheme was abandonned when, unsurprisingly, Wembley was chosen.
The failed scheme that led to the council settlement was the smaller, 25k, one that was part of the Tesco development that was refused planning permission.
That was why the club moved to VP for 2 years (01/02 seasons) whilst it was built but when it got knocked back the settlement was agreed but i can't remember how much for. Some of this was used to build the Southbank and the new floodlights etc and the rest was supposed to cover maintainence. We did ,however, make at least one expensive signing around this time.

As for the crowds; i seem to remember they dipped whilst at VP and then rose when we first returned to Odsal before the slow decline set in.

[Bulliac]

Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:26 pm  

Hopebull wrote:

I'm pretty sure the Superdome was conceived in the early/ mid 90's when there was bidding contest to build a new national stadium. I think Odsal and Birmingham were the bids outside London and the scheme was abandonned when, unsurprisingly, Wembley was chosen.
The failed scheme that led to the council settlement was the smaller, 25k, one that was part of the Tesco development that was refused planning permission.
That was why the club moved to VP for 2 years (01/02 seasons) whilst it was built but when it got knocked back the settlement was agreed but i can't remember how much for. Some of this was used to build the Southbank and the new floodlights etc and the rest was supposed to cover maintainence. We did ,however, make at least one expensive signing around this time.

As for the crowds; i seem to remember they dipped whilst at VP and then rose when we first returned to Odsal before the slow decline set in.

The initial redevelopment was set up before the 'National Stadium' iirc, Wembley was opened in 2007 so I think the planning was probably a bit later than mid or even late 90s. The original Odsal plan was sometime around 2000, the same time as the move to VP, which as you say was to facilitate the build, though I confess to sometimes being a bit hazy about dates..

It was after the initial plan was being considered that they decided to enter the fray for the national Stadium which probably suggests the Wembley bit was added after we went to VP, though why anyone thought that a National Stadium ever going to anywhere but Wembley is unbelievable, imo.

Spot on about VP, the crowds dwindled - which considering the teams we were putting out shows just how much many people disliked the idea. If fact, to bring it up to date, the fact that crowds dropped so much at a ground within the city does make me think that Dewsbury might not have been the best idea.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:29 pm  

Nothus wrote:

So it's confirmed that it will cost £22 to stand on the terrace next season (£20 if you pre-book).

Anyone know how these compare to Dewsbury's prices?

I see they have come up with a more sensible junior admission price which is definitely something that would of put me off going. Bit confused about infants being free but needing a ticket from the Bulls team shop... where is that at Dewsbury?

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:19 am  

Bulliac wrote:

Hopebull wrote:

I'm pretty sure the Superdome was conceived in the early/ mid 90's when there was bidding contest to build a new national stadium. I think Odsal and Birmingham were the bids outside London and the scheme was abandonned when, unsurprisingly, Wembley was chosen.
The failed scheme that led to the council settlement was the smaller, 25k, one that was part of the Tesco development that was refused planning permission.
That was why the club moved to VP for 2 years (01/02 seasons) whilst it was built but when it got knocked back the settlement was agreed but i can't remember how much for. Some of this was used to build the Southbank and the new floodlights etc and the rest was supposed to cover maintainence. We did ,however, make at least one expensive signing around this time.

As for the crowds; i seem to remember they dipped whilst at VP and then rose when we first returned to Odsal before the slow decline set in.

The initial redevelopment was set up before the 'National Stadium' iirc, Wembley was opened in 2007 so I think the planning was probably a bit later than mid or even late 90s. The original Odsal plan was sometime around 2000, the same time as the move to VP, which as you say was to facilitate the build, though I confess to sometimes being a bit hazy about dates..

It was after the initial plan was being considered that they decided to enter the fray for the national Stadium which probably suggests the Wembley bit was added after we went to VP, though why anyone thought that a National Stadium ever going to anywhere but Wembley is unbelievable, imo.

Spot on about VP, the crowds dwindled - which considering the teams we were putting out shows just how much many people disliked the idea. If fact, to bring it up to date, the fact that crowds dropped so much at a ground within the city does make me think that Dewsbury might not have been the best idea.

The decision on the national stadium was in 96. The old stadium held its last RL match in 99 (Challenge Cup final) before they took it on the road in 2000 in Edinburgh. Football was played in the old stadium until end 2000, then the process to demolish and rebuild began.

You are right in saying the Tesco scheme was late 90's and whilst we were at VP, the rebuild was to happen. Instead we got new floodlights one new stand and a lick of paint!!

My memory of the crowds at VP was that during year 1, when we were unbeaten at home, the crowds were not much lower than the previous year, but dipped in the 2nd year. But in 03 when we returned to Odsal crowds were strongly higher when we did the grand slam. 03 was our peak with decline starting from then to where we are today unfortunately

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:06 am  

Bully_Boxer wrote:

I see they have come up with a more sensible junior admission price which is definitely something that would of put me off going. Bit confused about infants being free but needing a ticket from the Bulls team shop... where is that at Dewsbury?

More sensible gate prices too, although I still despise this idea of cheaper if you pay in advance (although that's not limited to the Bulls by any stretch).

The price drop might have removed a hurdle for me as far as going back, but since this year I'll very much be playing it by ear and deciding on the day (thanks to factors completely unrelated to Rugby League), the additional cost of paying on the gate puts me back in the camp of it just being a little too much.

Only just though now. They're not as stupidly unreasonable as they were under "Give me all your money" Chalmers.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:28 am  

DILLIGAF wrote:

More sensible gate prices too, although I still despise this idea of cheaper if you pay in advance (although that's not limited to the Bulls by any stretch).

The price drop might have removed a hurdle for me as far as going back, but since this year I'll very much be playing it by ear and deciding on the day (thanks to factors completely unrelated to Rugby League), the additional cost of paying on the gate puts me back in the camp of it just being a little too much.

Only just though now. They're not as stupidly unreasonable as they were under "Give me all your money" Chalmers.

Agreed regarding the on the day price increases. As you said its not just us but an RL thing. I just don't see the business sense of it. They won't be huge numbers who decide on the day to go, so a couple of quid here and there over 13 games is peanuts. Yet that price increase will put some off, even off principal alone and loses the club £20 each time someone decides not to go. I know it's a balancing act in getting the prices right so we make money and but not too expensive in ripping people off.

I think they've got the prices right. Many brought season tickets under Chalmers prices so they couldn't make them so cheap that ST holders lost out.

[Bulliac]

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:41 pm  

DILLIGAF wrote:

More sensible gate prices too, although I still despise this idea of cheaper if you pay in advance (although that's not limited to the Bulls by any stretch).

I think you have to remember that there are no takings during the close season(save perhaps Xmas sales in the shop) and the club still has out goings, so needs to get some cash in. Offering a discount for tickets bought in this period is just one way of 'evening out the cashflow' as few would bother until the last minute, without the incentive.