Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:35 am  

nestegg wrote: That's actually somewhat of a fallacy, bulls2487. The truth is that it was Nigel Wood who on 3 January 2017 mistakenly announced to the press and media c/o a bogus press release that Marc Green's BBNL was 'liquidated' (see below): https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/38418199 The truth is that BBNL entered into liquidation in February 2017, as evidenced on Companies House website. Everbody fell for the RFL's (or in reality Nigel's) charade. Worse still the RFL, and in particular Nigel, elected not to correct their blatant error. Why was this? Because it paved the way to allow the RFL's (and Nigel's) chosen one, Chalmers, to very shortly thereafter be gift wrapped the club, its remaining assets and an operating licence for zilch, and for BB17 to be incorporated on 13 January 2017. Given our RFL insider connection, 'we' have 100% proof of the above, but have been advised at this stage not to upload it on to a public forum. A court of law would be a far better place to make such a disclosure. Moreover, with the benefit of litigation privilege then 'we' would be suitably protected in respect of such disclosure and related assertions as part of for example any possible anticipated legal proceedings! Regardless of the above legal mumbo jumbo, the fact is that what happended to the Bulls, in particular towards the end of Marc Green's reign, was to all intents and purposes a scandal, and to date we have only hinted at circa 20% of the truth in this regard. Thats why the TUPE was invoked which cost the Club and Sod Hall money and also the chance to stay up because of the Players and Staff being refused it and then having to go to a tribunal!

nestegg wrote: That's actually somewhat of a fallacy, bulls2487. The truth is that it was Nigel Wood who on 3 January 2017 mistakenly announced to the press and media c/o a bogus press release that Marc Green's BBNL was 'liquidated' (see below): https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/38418199 The truth is that BBNL entered into liquidation in February 2017, as evidenced on Companies House website. Everbody fell for the RFL's (or in reality Nigel's) charade. Worse still the RFL, and in particular Nigel, elected not to correct their blatant error. Why was this? Because it paved the way to allow the RFL's (and Nigel's) chosen one, Chalmers, to very shortly thereafter be gift wrapped the club, its remaining assets and an operating licence for zilch, and for BB17 to be incorporated on 13 January 2017. Given our RFL insider connection, 'we' have 100% proof of the above, but have been advised at this stage not to upload it on to a public forum. A court of law would be a far better place to make such a disclosure. Moreover, with the benefit of litigation privilege then 'we' would be suitably protected in respect of such disclosure and related assertions as part of for example any possible anticipated legal proceedings! Regardless of the above legal mumbo jumbo, the fact is that what happended to the Bulls, in particular towards the end of Marc Green's reign, was to all intents and purposes a scandal, and to date we have only hinted at circa 20% of the truth in this regard. Thats why the TUPE was invoked which cost the Club and Sod Hall money and also the chance to stay up because of the Players and Staff being refused it and then having to go to a tribunal!

Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:13 am  

Some changes have been made to the list of directors on Companies House website. Mark Kilgallon and Sandra Wood are now shown as being active, The Orcas Rugby League Ltd has resigned, but Andrew Chalmers is shown as still being a director.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:39 am  

sirkeith wrote:

Some changes have been made to the list of directors on Companies House website. Mark Kilgallon and Sandra Wood are now shown as being active, The Orcas Rugby League Ltd has resigned, but Andrew Chalmers is shown as still being a director.

and The Orcas are still the person with significant control.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:16 am  

bullinenemyland wrote:

For me the club and the RFL cannot be separated and until a full independent investigation is undertaken into the RFL's involvement in:

a) purchasing the leasehold at Odsal - why did they do it really?, what was the due diligence?, did they know or had they even considered the ramifications such a decision would have on the club and their credit position?

b) the reasoning behind their choice of every owner that has failed since the first administration in 2012 - what bids were tabled? and why did they chose certain bids over others?

and c) what is the process involved in proving the successful bidders were fit and proper for owning a club? - what checks take place?, are they financially vetted?, is proof of funds verified?

Until all these questions are answered, I don't think anyone can have any trust whatsoever that the club is in safe hands, particularly as much of the recent poor history of the club has gone on when the game was in the stewardship of the majority shareholder.

Good and valid questions.

We may have had our differences of opinion in the past, but let's' try to get on to the same page moving forward.

A brief answer to your 3 queries as quoted above is as follows:

a) Odsal land grab.

b) All except AC were chosen because the RFL had a strong hunch or desire that they would fail, or if they didn't terminally fail, then the RFL hierarchy (Wood, RR and Moorhouse) knew that they could craftily impose fines, withhold central funding etc and consequently the owner incarnations of Hood, then OK, then Green would be thrown under a bus c/o the RFL. This is NOT a conspiracy theory; it's based on facts that we have to hand, and they will be released in to the public arena within say the next 4-6 weeks, and/or passed on to a truly independent body as part of a fair and thorough 'investigation'. In summary over the past 8 years it is alleged that the RFL and Wood have been doing their utmost to stop the Bulls being successful. Why?; see a) above.

c) Up to circa mid 2017 we understand that the RFL's fit and proper person test (FPPT) only vetted a pending owner's business background/ dealings in the UK geographic region. That conveniently meant that AC's failed businesses etc in the ANZAC region were not accounted for. According to one of our RFL insiders the FPPT rules have changed since. Regardless, the FPPT process adopted by the RFL is allegedly a sham and has for the main part been based upon wholly subjective and partial decisions. For example AC's FPPT was signed off by AC's friend - NW.

Trust is thin on the ground.

Things need to change, and we are reasonably confident that they will. Watch this space !

Charles c/o the NEC.

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Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:20 am  

Northernrelic wrote:

For committed, long suffering Bulls fans I guess this topic is their top priority, but looking at the wider struggles and future of the game I fear it is a soon to be forgotten side show. The Super league will increasingly be an international competition (Toronto, New York, France 2 etc) and only a handful of the current top UK teams will remain. The Bulls long ago missed their chance to get back on the ladder and the TV cheque book and the owners of the Wolfpack are in the driving seat. A reasonably competent RFL and a less self serving Super League might have had more control over the process but their incompetence has handed the wheel over to the disrupters.
Wondering how you get Tongan citizenship

Agree completely with that.

I've nothing against expansion, the more the better, to be honest, but the Euro/Nth American league should be a separate division from our domestic league, all be it with some of our better teams involved. If the overseas clubs 'take over' our domestic league it will kill the game in the UK.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:40 am  

nestegg wrote:

Good and valid questions.

We may have had our differences of opinion in the past, but let's' try to get on to the same page moving forward.

A brief answer to your 3 queries as quoted above is as follows:

a) Odsal land grab.

b) All except AC were chosen because the RFL had a strong hunch or desire that they would fail, or if they didn't terminally fail, then the RFL hierarchy (Wood, RR and Moorhouse) knew that they could craftily impose fines, withhold central funding etc and consequently the owner incarnations of Hood, then OK, then Green would be thrown under a bus c/o the RFL. This is NOT a conspiracy theory; it's based on facts that we have to hand, and they will be released in to the public arena within say the next 4-6 weeks, and/or passed on to a truly independent body as part of a fair and thorough 'investigation'. In summary over the past 8 years it is alleged that the RFL and Wood have been doing their utmost to stop the Bulls being successful. Why?; see a) above.

c) Up to circa mid 2017 we understand that the RFL's fit and proper person test (FPPT) only vetted a pending owner's business background/ dealings in the UK geographic region. That conveniently meant that AC's failed businesses etc in the ANZAC region were not accounted for. According to one of our RFL insiders the FPPT rules have changed since. Regardless, the FPPT process adopted by the RFL is allegedly a sham and has for the main part been based upon wholly subjective and partial decisions. For example AC's FPPT was signed off by AC's friend - NW.

Trust is thin on the ground.

Things need to change, and we are reasonably confident that they will. Watch this space !

Charles c/o the NEC.

Instead of hanging onto the information for an independent enquiry why don't you release the information into the public field. Perhaps that would then force an ennquiry.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:56 am  

Mr Dog wrote:

and The Orcas are still the person with significant control.

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Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:30 am  

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Re: Bulls Takeover : Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:40 pm  

Interesting that "Nestegg Bulls RL" has just been added. And the main director is listed as none other than Bruce Craig, the multi-millionaire owner of Bath Rugby! None of that is true. Or is it?! No.