: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:00 am  

mystic eddie wrote:

Oh dear, I may as well indulge you.

lost none of your patronising edge, then? Or maybe it's just natural now?

mystic eddie wrote:

Wigan have made a couple of GF eliminators,

Which if we were so lucky as to have you for a remote Wigan fan instead of a Bulls fan, would have seen you roundly slating their coach for failure

mystic eddie wrote:

Hull KR are showing improvement as are ... Huddersfield,

.. which you are right about - even though it is stating the bleedin' obvious - yet it is not a factor you are prepared to take into account when we play them, when you revert to Auto-We-Should-Be-beating-teams-Like-These mode.

mystic eddie wrote:

The fact remains though that clubs like KR, Wakey, Cas and the Cats are at least showing signs of improvement and a genuine hope. ..We are showing no improvement, a fact that you clearly refuse to accept despite plenty of opinion (evidence?) to the contrary?

n fact we have shown a huge improvement in the pack, in the tackle and in the hit up. Our pack looks the best in the SL to me. Not that you would ever give it any credit. Where we have fallen short in the limited time on field so far is in attack, but however bad our attack has been, it has twice only very marginally fallen short of beating both opponents, having only drawn against HKR in the last kick of injury time, and having dropped the ball over the try line against Hudds. These are btw simple facts, not excuses. If we had won both games, this would not make our attack suddenly great, but you need to be honest and truthful about where we are, and as normal, you're not. You just look at the result in the paper, and rub your hands with glee.

: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:04 am  

mystic eddie wrote:

I am asking why it is that af needs a solution to every problem before people are allowed to debate said problem.

ANd I am asking why you have to tediously whinge about debate being stifled when people put differing points of view! Who is "not allowed"? What is "not allowed"?? When was it "disallowed"???

You can debate af's points, or not. It's up to you. The reason you don't isn't because you're not "allowed" to, it's because you have no answer to the points af makes, and that is plain for all to see.

It is, btw, nothing to be ashamed of, so don't take on so. But you might, in front of your log fire with a malt whisky, maybe just once , even for a second, consider that he may have a point?

: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:36 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

even for a second, consider that he may have a point?

He does indeed, like the team do.

However, the one point the team has is not good enough either.

: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:46 am  

ME wrote:

I am asking why it is that af needs a solution to every problem before people are allowed to debate said problem.

I don't follow you here. Can you explain it for me?

Cheers for meeting the "Who's done better?" challenge. You said Wigan, I say...

2006
Hull FC 54 v 12 Wigan
Wigan 24 v 30 Castleford
Wakefield 10 v 8 Wigan
Leeds 48 v 22 Wigan
Harlequins 31 v 30 Wigan

2007
Wigan 16 v 26 Hull KR
Huddersfield 41 v 16 Wigan
Harlequins 18 v 8 Wigan
Wigan 10 v 12 Hull KR
Wakefield 32 v 6 Wigan
Warrington 43 v 24 Wigan

2008
St. Helens 46 v 10 Wigan
Wigan 24 v 26 Catalans
St. Helens 57 v 16 Wigan
Wigan 4 v 34 Huddersfield
Castleford 22 v 22 Wigan
Hull KR 39 v 22 Wigan
Wigan 12 v 46 St. Helens
Wigan 16 v 52 Leeds

2009
Wigan 6 v 12 Wakefield
Wigan 22 v 28 Castleford

Nobby has been in charge for only seventy-odd rounds and he's already had twenty-one results that I have no doubt you would describe as unacceptable, including some outlandish ones such as the home thrashing by Huddersfield and the near sixty-pointer at MM that have no parallel at Bradford during the McNamara era. And what's notable is that he had more in his third year than he did in either of his first two.

Maybe this coaching game is harder than it looks.

: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:13 pm  

And FWIW, here are Bradford's 'unacceptable' losses over the same period...

2006
Bradford 0 v 30 Leeds
Castleford 26 v 26 Bradford
Salford 17 v 16 Bradford
Harlequins 28 v 26 Bradford
Bradford 12 v 20 Wakefield

2007
Bradford 22 v 29 Catalans
Huddersfield 36 v 12 Bradford
Salford 14 v 10 Bradford

2008
Wakefield 26 v 24 Bradford
Leeds 44 v 2 Bradford
Hull KR 20 v 18 Bradford
Bradford 16 v 24 Catalans
St. Helens 58 v 20 Bradford
Huddersfield 25 v 24 Bradford
Harlequins 36 v 24 Bradford

2009
Bradford 13 v 13 Hull KR
Bradford 12 v 16 Huddersfield

Similar to Nobby, but better. Striking how Bulls have been competitive in every game save three - the Headingley fiasco, the 30-nil and when we had to put a second string out at Huddersfield that time.

: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:28 pm  

af wrote:

I don't follow you here. Can you explain it for me?

Cheers for meeting the "Who's done better?" challenge. You said Wigan, I say...


Nobby has been in charge for only seventy-odd rounds and he's already had twenty-one results that I have no doubt you would describe as unacceptable, including some outlandish ones such as the home thrashing by Huddersfield and the near sixty-pointer at MM that have no parallel at Bradford during the McNamara era. And what's notable is that he had more in his third year than he did in either of his first two.

Maybe this coaching game is harder than it looks.

I'm glad someone has taken the time to put the full facts on. Looking at that what do all the Macca doubters have to say? The most painful had to be the 44-2 or 30-0 at Leeds though.

: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:57 pm  

Ewwenorfolk wrote:

I'm glad someone has taken the time to put the full facts on. Looking at that what do all the Macca doubters have to say? The most painful had to be the 44-2 or 30-0 at Leeds though.

What about the Wigan side that beat a rampant Bradford 31-30 in the play-offs in 2007 when the game was completely finished?

And followed up the play-off win in 2008?

Nothing will ever be as painful as the 31-30 game for me.

: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:11 pm  

mystic eddie wrote:

Nothing will ever be as painful as the 31-30 game for me.

... you hope. Cheesegrater to the scrotum could change your mind.

: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:13 pm  

I should probably add " ". . Or is that ";)" ?

: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:14 pm  

af wrote:

I should probably add " ".

You should have added an "e" in cheesgrater too squire.