Re: end of sky and RL? : Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:52 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

If I ever had a dream that the RFL had got 200K subscribers to pay them £100 a season, I would be straight off to my GP for some strong meds. I don't pay that for my full media package inc phone broadband and Virgin which includes all Sky Sports and Premier. I quite like the other sports available on Sky so would probably not want to cancel the Sports, and there is no chance in hell that I'd be paying £100 or anything remotely like on top of my subs for some crappy streaming nonsense.

That's just my personal view, but on a wider issue, if we end up left with live streaming then that's the game in its death throes, certainly in its present form. There is precious little money in the game as it is, but that would reduce the income I'd guess by a minimum of 90%. It may fly in Aus, although I am unconvinced, but you can't really compare the case of the two at all, as they have a hot ticket to sell and will sell it at whatever price suits, we sadly do not. We even take free posters on a few wagons as our main national "sponsorship".

You pay less than £100 for twelve months of phone/broadband/tv including sky sports and premier?
Sorry FA but I'm calling bullsh*t on that.

This suggestion is that they stream every single SL game in a season. For that I would say £100 is actually modest.

Re: end of sky and RL? : Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:47 pm  

Page 2 on Netflix Sports, beneath a backwater downhill mountain bike event but above the documentary about a wrestler from a promotion WWE hasn't yet bought the media rights to.

Re: end of sky and RL? : Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:36 pm  

Nothus wrote:

You pay less than £100 for twelve months of phone/broadband/tv including sky sports and premier?
Sorry FA but I'm calling bullsh*t on that.

This suggestion is that they stream every single SL game in a season. For that I would say £100 is actually modest.

FA.
Can you please point me to the deal you are on.
I have cancelled sports but still pay about £60 a month for phone line, internet and family package. This works out at about £700 per year. I then paid £99 for Premier which I my not bother with next year as Free sports show the NRL a day later.
Someones figures don't make sense.

Re: end of sky and RL? : Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:53 am  

Bullseye wrote:

They paid £90m in 2011 IIRC but I think that deal was amended in 2014 to run until 2021. Does it definitely end soon?

The deal as I remember reading, was £210m from 2017 to 2022. SL teams shared 78% 0f the central distribution cash. Sky were given the TV rights to all/any SL and Championship fixtures. Which was why Premier sports pulled out of the deal to televise the championship.
In 2015/16 season all SL clubs were given a sweetner payment of £300k I understand?

Re: end of sky and RL? : Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:08 pm  

Rarebreed wrote:

The deal as I remember reading, was £210m from 2017 to 2022. SL teams shared 78% 0f the central distribution cash. Sky were given the TV rights to all/any SL and Championship fixtures. Which was why Premier sports pulled out of the deal to televise the championship.
In 2015/16 season all SL clubs were given a sweetner payment of £300k I understand?

£210 million? I don't think it was that much. The previous contract was definitely worth £90m, I found an article about that one.
I would be amazed if we jumped from a £90m contract to a £210m one. £210m for five years seems insane, that's over £40m a season!

Re: end of sky and RL? : Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:30 pm  

Nothus wrote:

£210 million? I don't think it was that much. The previous contract was definitely worth £90m, I found an article about that one.
I would be amazed if we jumped from a £90m contract to a £210m one. £210m for five years seems insane, that's over £40m a season!

The amount being paid for club and international matches will be £182,200,000 in total.

Of that total, £146,760,000, or 80 per cent, will go to Super League clubs.

£14,576,000 or 8 per cent, will go to the twelve Championship clubs in the second tier.

£1,822,000, or one per cent, will go to the Championship One clubs.

£20,042,000, or 11 per cent, will be paid for Challenge Cup and internationals coverage.

When the Super League clubs signed the new five-year contract with BSkyB in 2015, they were enticed by a £300,000 sweetener.

Re: end of sky and RL? : Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:25 pm  

MicktheGled wrote: The amount being paid for club and international matches will be £182,200,000 in total. Of that total, £146,760,000, or 80 per cent, will go to Super League clubs. £14,576,000 or 8 per cent, will go to the twelve Championship clubs in the second tier. £1,822,000, or one per cent, will go to the Championship One clubs. £20,042,000, or 11 per cent, will be paid for Challenge Cup and internationals coverage. When the Super League clubs signed the new five-year contract with BSkyB in 2015, they were enticed by a £300,000 sweetener. Nice copy and paste from the Sadler article. http://www.totalrl.com/ins-outs-super-l ... w-tv-deal/

MicktheGled wrote: The amount being paid for club and international matches will be £182,200,000 in total. Of that total, £146,760,000, or 80 per cent, will go to Super League clubs. £14,576,000 or 8 per cent, will go to the twelve Championship clubs in the second tier. £1,822,000, or one per cent, will go to the Championship One clubs. £20,042,000, or 11 per cent, will be paid for Challenge Cup and internationals coverage. When the Super League clubs signed the new five-year contract with BSkyB in 2015, they were enticed by a £300,000 sweetener. Nice copy and paste from the Sadler article. http://www.totalrl.com/ins-outs-super-l ... w-tv-deal/

Re: end of sky and RL? : Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:01 pm  

redeverready wrote: Nice copy and paste from the Sadler article. http://www.totalrl.com/ins-outs-super-l ... w-tv-deal/ Much obliged m'lud, so the figure was £200m ! What's £10m between friends eh? We know people who can make that amount disappear anyway!

redeverready wrote: Nice copy and paste from the Sadler article. http://www.totalrl.com/ins-outs-super-l ... w-tv-deal/ Much obliged m'lud, so the figure was £200m ! What's £10m between friends eh? We know people who can make that amount disappear anyway!

Re: end of sky and RL? : Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:16 am  

Nothus wrote:

You pay less than £100 for twelve months of phone/broadband/tv including sky sports and premier?
Sorry FA but I'm calling bullsh*t on that.

No, the qestion is, how much do you pay for the rugby league. Or put another way, how much cheaper would your subs be if you didn't have the ability to watch the Rl on Sky Sports, or Premier. (Ignoring the freebie version of Premier which muddied the waters a bit mid season, doubt they will continue to allow free what is a paid for service but we shall see)

With Sky you can now pick and choose individual elements of Sports channels- you don't have to have them all. Whether anyone who does this will fall foul though of the old channel game switching of the past, also remains to be seen.

I'm with Virgin at the moment, but with them, you aren't able to split the Sky Sports in teh way you could with Sky itself - it's all or nothing. But of course you then do get it all, including NFL and F1, which I also watch, so the question is, how much of your additional subs are you actually paying to watch RL. Not that easy to work out.

But I do negotiate a good deal. Last season, for example, I got the Premier Sports added for 37p extra a month but that's just cos every company obviously wants me as a customer and I'm such a great bloke. But my numbers may not be the bullshit you think

Nothus wrote:

This suggestion is that they stream every single SL game in a season. For that I would say £100 is actually modest.

Harrumph. "Streaming" smacks of poor quality, dodgy feeds, and low-to-zero production values. You're right, it's not a high sum if that is what it was, but personally I'm spoiled wit HD RL on Sky, in a proper program, with HD cameras all over the place, top class replays, etc etc. Do you imagine you'll get a similar standard of service via streaming? Who will be providing the footage, for a start?

Then there is the question of watching the broadcasts. With Sky/Virgin you just set your series link and watch what you want when you want. Not so easy with streamed content.

Personally, I think that the trade-off between a stream worth watching and a cheap cost to viewer can't work, as the production costs of broadcasting every single game live to any level of reasonable quality will just be stupid, and I just don't see anywhere near enough subscribers to make such an idea remotely viable.

But my main objection to it is it continues the marginalisation of the sport, which is in danger of becoming an irrelevance to broadcasters and sponsors. What would a national company pay to buy advertising on a streamed feed, to a few tens of thousands of cheapskates, if anything at all?

Re: end of sky and RL? : Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:34 am  

Pretty much have to agree 100% with that FA