[Bullseye]

Ryan & Bentley : Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:16 pm  

According to League Express St Helens are interested in them both and are watching them closely. 7 other clubs interested in Bentley too.

Does anyone expect them to stay with us next season? I for one would be very surprised.

Re: Ryan & Bentley : Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:28 pm  

I'd be amazed if they haven't already signed elsewhere

Re: Ryan & Bentley : Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:43 pm  

paulwalker71 wrote:

I'd be amazed if they haven't already signed elsewhere

Along with a couple of others.

Re: Ryan & Bentley : Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:56 pm  

Yeah think its too optimistic to keep these. Wish them both well. Funny how our best players last couple of years have been U19s breaking through who will be on next to nothing. Imagine if Marc Green had just not wasted £100,000s on people like Mathers etc and being more patient with the 19s. In 3 years time we would have had a home grown team to reckon with, with players of Ryan, Bentley, Oakes, Trueman, Butterworth, Hooley Scott.

Is the rule still in if we at least offer Bentley a contract and he decides to move on we still get a few due to him being U21 and HG? If not then that's a scandal and doesn't give any motivation or reward to those that can be bothered to invest in youth.

[Bullseye]

Re: Ryan & Bentley : Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:21 pm  

Shame other clubs aren't as good at producing young players as us.

Good luck to the lads that get good deals elsewhere, it's a short career and you don't to waste your time in the championship/C1 if you get a better offer elsewhere.

If it hadn't been for the investment in the academy we'd have no players at all. It'll be what makes up the first team for the foreseeable future I reckon.

Re: Ryan & Bentley : Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:24 pm  

Bull Mania wrote:

Yeah think its too optimistic to keep these. Wish them both well. Funny how our best players last couple of years have been U19s breaking through who will be on next to nothing. Imagine if Marc Green had just not wasted £100,000s on people like Mathers etc and being more patient with the 19s. In 3 years time we would have had a home grown team to reckon with, with players of Ryan, Bentley, Oakes, Trueman, Butterworth, Hooley Scott.

Is the rule still in if we at least offer Bentley a contract and he decides to move on we still get a few due to him being U21 and HG? If not then that's a scandal and doesn't give any motivation or reward to those that can be bothered to invest in youth.

If not it'd be nice to have first option on them, should any club in a higher league choose to loan them out. At least the producing club get something out of it.

Re: Ryan & Bentley : Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:47 pm  

Worst case scenario, if we're going to lose them then I would be pushing for them being immediately loaned back to us for next season.
Being realistic, Bentley and Ryan aren't going to be getting much first team action if they go to Saints. Might as well keep them playing regularly in familiar settings.

Although something similar should have happened with Brown at Wigan and Trueman at Cas and it didn't, so maybe it's not that straightforward.

Re: Ryan & Bentley : Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:57 pm  

Bull Mania wrote:

Is the rule still in if we at least offer Bentley a contract and he decides to move on we still get a few due to him being U21 and HG? If not then that's a scandal and doesn't give any motivation or reward to those that can be bothered to invest in youth.

I guess its all dependant on what sort of contract he is on as if its only a part time one then you have no chance of getting anything if a full time team comes in for him where as if its a full time one you may have a chance albeit a small one.

Re: Ryan & Bentley : Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:05 pm  

Greg Florimos Boots wrote:

Along with a couple of others.

Greg Florimos Boots wrote:

I guess its all dependant on what sort of contract he is on as if its only a part time one then you have no chance of getting anything if a full time team comes in for him where as if its a full time one you may have a chance albeit a small one.

You're a barrel of laughs aren't you? Every silver lining has a cloud eh?

Re: Ryan & Bentley : Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:06 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Shame other clubs aren't as good at producing young players as us.

Good luck to the lads that get good deals elsewhere, it's a short career and you don't to waste your time in the championship/C1 if you get a better offer elsewhere.

If it hadn't been for the investment in the academy we'd have no players at all. It'll be what makes up the first team for the foreseeable future I reckon.

Posts like these get my goat and its not aimed at you Bullseye or even at Bradford for that matter, its more the system that is in place. Bradford are good at producing young players? Well its easy when you can go in to any catchment area and offer the bright lights of full time rugby isnt it, you are bound to "unearth" one or two gems. Just taking the all conquering Siddal U16 team from this year, how many of them will we see at Fax? Zero, we do not even get a look in, in the past though Bradford would have taken some of these players but as far as I know Bradford now hardly get a look in when it comes to the top young players and none of the players will be heading Bradford's way to produce so although you say its a shame other clubs are not as good as producing it will only be a short time now before the same will be said about Bradford.

Maybe the dig was aimed more at SL teams though and it that sense they will be like vultures knowing full well that if they want one of your players they can simply take them without having to pay a fee. The system is a shambles and until that changes the game as a whole will not improve and we will keep losing players who could have made it because they have nowhere to play.