[Bullseye]

Re: Our pack of forwards : Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:41 pm  

Matt Cook was an overhyped young player. I also remember Matt James being talked up by senior officials at the club. I'm starting to think that any of our young players that get hyped up by club officials should be instantly disregarded as decent prospects!

Forshaw was a good signing as he'd learnt his trade as a young player in an excellent environment - that all conquering Wigan side. Same went for Scott Naylor. They might not have got in the 1st team very often but they got good habits. I do worry that some of our young players aren't getting the best introduction to 1st team rugby.

Anyway, are there any forwards that are out of contract or going cheap that come from clubs with a winning mentality? Failing that we may have to splash some cash, even if it's in short supply as our forwards are ill equipped to challenge for top 8 as they are.

Re: Our pack of forwards : Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:43 pm  

sir steve menzies wrote:

sell langley. as big and imposing forward as him should put himself about more than he does yet hge is pretty much not existant on the field for us. when is the last time he put in big shot ? he is ment to be the most attacking forward ..yet he does nothing. get rid of him, play bryn at 13 and get a good angressive prop in who will make the meters and cause some real damage and disturbance in defensive lines. ryan ohara would have been a good aqusation but kr got there first...

hes a defensive LF, and forget the big shots, his tackle rate and his missed tackle % show how good he is at that. where has this "most attacking forward" line come from?

His metres per carry 6.3 this season (down from 6.8 last season, Bryns 5.9. His tackles per game 29, Bryn 21. so what you should be suggesting is get rid of Bryn and get a nasty prop in.

But that is assuming Jamie stays fit, and if I was going to get rid of Jamie it would be on fitness grounds as the intermittent nature of his injuries this season has inevitably affected his on field performance.

But I sincerely hope that he gets back to full fitness next season. he costs a lot less on the cap than a replacement of the same quality

Re: Our pack of forwards : Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:46 pm  

martinwildbull wrote:

hes a defensive LF, and forget the big shots, his tackle rate and his missed tackle % show how good he is at that. where has this "most attacking forward" line come from?

His metres per carry 6.3 this season (down from 6.8 last season, Bryns 5.9. His tackles per game 29, Bryn 21. so what you should be suggesting is get rid of Bryn and get a nasty prop in.

But that is assuming Jamie stays fit, and if I was going to get rid of Jamie it would be on fitness grounds as the intermittent nature of his injuries this season has inevitably affected his on field performance.

But I sincerely hope that he gets back to full fitness next season. he costs a lot less on the cap than a replacement of the same quality

Thats all well and good but lets compare the respective salary they will be both on. Is Langley pulling his weight in value for money terms that's my problem with Langley.

Re: Our pack of forwards : Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:47 pm  

I fear that Donaldson will be one of those outstanding junior forwards that stops growing too soon. Lee Radford never lived up to his junior reputation because he stopped growing as soon as we signed him. He's still had a very good career because he's as hard as nails but just think how good he would have been if two inches taller and two stones heavier. Donaldson seems to me to be another Radford but without the toughness.

Addy seems a bit of a jack of all trades, master of none. Not sure what is best position is. Not really big enough for a back rower, not nippy enough for a hooker, not quick enough for a half back.

I really like Whitehead, think he's been held back a bit by the chaos that surrounds him. Would be outstanding if playing for one of the better, more consistent clubs.

Burgess obviously has massive potential but still very raw.

[Bullseye]

Re: Our pack of forwards : Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:48 pm  

A fit Langley walks into the side, but he's really had a bad year with injuries. I do hope this isn't going to be par for the course with him now. If it is then I agree with Red and we should ask whether he's worth his place given what he earns and our apparent lack of money.

Hargreaves is just a body in the line, he's bog standard. When we're playing well he'll do a job but he's not the man to force an error or get us on the front foot when the side is struggling. I would say that if we'd kept George Burgess Bryn wouldn't get in the side now.

Re: Our pack of forwards : Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:48 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Matt Cook was an overhyped young player. I also remember Matt James being talked up by senior officials at the club. I'm starting to think that any of our young players that get hyped up by club officials should be instantly disregarded as decent prospects!

Forshaw was a good signing as he'd learnt his trade as a young player in an excellent environment - that all conquering Wigan side. Same went for Scott Naylor. They might not have got in the 1st team very often but they got good habits. I do worry that some of our young players aren't getting the best introduction to 1st team rugby.

Anyway, are there any forwards that are out of contract or going cheap that come from clubs with a winning mentality? Failing that we may have to splash some cash, even if it's in short supply as our forwards are ill equipped to challenge for top 8 as they are.

Matt James did have the potential to be very good but the god of junior development shattered his spirit and self belief.

[Bullseye]

Re: Our pack of forwards : Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:51 pm  

He's not exactly broken any pots elsewhere though has he?

I assume you're on about Medley.

Re: Our pack of forwards : Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:52 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

He's not exactly broken any pots elsewhere though has he?

I assume you're on about Medley.

No our national coach. He was ready to give up all together was Matt.

[Bulliac]

Re: Our pack of forwards : Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:56 pm  

phillgee wrote:

was Steve related to Brett?

Actually Steve was Brett! In my last post anyway. I was thinking about Brett but wrote Steve, who as Adey correctly identified as his uncle, who worked at Wakey when Brett moved there and in a previous life was a halfback for Bradford Northern a few years back, hence my mixing the names.

Re: Our pack of forwards : Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:08 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

Actually Steve was Brett! In my last post anyway. I was thinking about Brett but wrote Steve, who as Adey correctly identified as his uncle, who worked at Wakey when Brett moved there and in a previous life was a halfback for Bradford Northern a few years back, hence my mixing the names.

I thought as much. He's not going too badly though at Cas.