Charge downs : Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:14 pm  

How many times this year have we had kicks charged down? It must be some sort of record!

It's school boy stuff getting charged down and it's costing us every week. It's not just our make shift halves either as Burns has had kicks charged down.

We have Sean long on the coaching staff who was a hslfback and kicker. Surley he should take these players to one side and tell them to take a few steps back.

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Re: Charge downs : Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:48 pm  

The ones kicking aren't normal/natural kickers, so are taking far too long in getting shut of the ball - taking an extra step or two that someone like Walsh wouldn't do.

Re: Charge downs : Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:56 pm  

The problem today was amateurish approach, as pointed out by Phil Clarke. JT is a right footed kicker and he was taking the ball on the left hand side of the ruck, then having to turn back to kick with his right. Had he been on the other side, he would have been able to kick quicker. Also not being a natural half back, he was too close to the line when he kicked, he needed to be starting five metres back from where he was.

Re: Charge downs : Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:13 pm  

IMO Lance was the better kicker on the day, he did one or two strange pointless ones but his kicking was generally splitting the defence.

Re: Charge downs : Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:22 am  

Mike Oxlong wrote:

The ones kicking aren't normal/natural kickers, so are taking far too long in getting shut of the ball - taking an extra step or two that someone like Walsh wouldn't do.

Burns has been charged down as Wilkin as. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to take two steps back, it's actully basic common sense.

Can't KC and longy see this?

Re: Charge downs : Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:44 am  

I reckon its partly down to flat attacks and defenders running in on the kicker from an offside position. The officials are pretty poor this season and are not policing the situation as there is also an increase in borderline hits on the kicker after the ball release.
It wouldn,t suprise me if charge downs are up this season with all clubs, Wilkin and Turner are not the quickest and nimble of ball from hand to foot transition, we should see some improvement if Walshy comes back next week.
We also this season run the ball a lot on the last tackle and when that tactic closes down often the dedicated kicker is flat along the line, i,m sure all this hasn,t gone unoticed by KC.

Re: Charge downs : Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:50 am  

Judder Man wrote:

I reckon its partly down to flat attacks and defenders running in on the kicker from an offside position. The officials are pretty poor this season and are not policing the situation as there is also an increase in borderline hits on the kicker after the ball release.
It wouldn,t suprise me if charge downs are up this season with all clubs, Wilkin and Turner are not the quickest and nimble of ball from hand to foot transition, we should see some improvement if Walshy comes back next week.
We also this season run the ball a lot on the last tackle and when that tactic closes down often the dedicated kicker is flat along the line, i,m sure all this hasn,t gone unoticed by KC.

Fair enough we might have had some early on in season charged down but it continues every single week! It's costing us points now and I'm shocked we ain't adressed this.

Re: Charge downs : Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:10 am  

Turner just seems to take ages to get kicks away. Perhaps in training they're not accounting for him being slower to get the kick away. And it's one of those things coaches will target when they know the kicker is slow.

Having said that there seem to be loads of charge downs this season generally, not just Saints.

Re: Charge downs : Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:44 pm  

Centre being asked to play half-back in charge down shocker!

Re: Charge downs : Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:49 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Centre being asked to play half-back in charge down shocker!

31yr old stand off who player 6 all his life in charge down shocker! (Burns)

Wilkin who played 7 for 2 1/2 years in charge down shocker!

Turner has played 6 a number of times for saints, hull and england Knights in charge down shocker!