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Stats from the Leeds cup game : Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:49 pm  
Top Tacklers for Saints

Roby 42
Josh Jones 35
LMS 29
Kyle amor 25
Wilkin 25
Greenwood 25


Defensive hall of shame

Soliola 4 misses
LMS 4 misses
Richards 3 misses
Greenwood 3 misses
Roby 3 misses
Walsh 3 misses
Swift 3 misses
Turner 3 misses

Metre makers for Saints

Walmsley 125 metres
Roby 120 metres
Lomax 100 metres
Swift 97 metres


A comparison with Leeds

Hardaker 180 metres
Peacock 168 metres
Hall 129 metres
Watkins 119 metres
Briscoe 117 metres

Delaney 116 metres
Ablett 114metres
Burrow 110 metres
Leuluai 103 metres


* ive highlighted forwards in bold, as helps comparison
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Re: Stats from the Leeds cup game : Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:06 pm  
cant believe we were still in it with 15 mins to go!
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Re: Stats from the Leeds cup game : Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:08 pm  
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Defensive hall of shame

Soliola 4 misses
LMS 4 misses
Richards 3 misses
Greenwood 3 misses
Roby 3 misses
Walsh 3 misses
Swift 3 misses
Turner 3 misses


Unforgiveable to miss that many
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Re: Stats from the Leeds cup game : Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:11 pm  
The Chair Maker wrote:
Top Tacklers for Saints

Roby 42
Josh Jones 35
LMS 29
Kyle amor 25
Wilkin 25
Greenwood 25


Defensive hall of shame

Soliola 4 misses
LMS 4 misses
Richards 3 misses
Greenwood 3 misses
Roby 3 misses
Walsh 3 misses
Swift 3 misses
Turner 3 misses

Metre makers for Saints

Walmsley 125 metres
Roby 120 metres
Lomax 100 metres
Swift 97 metres


A comparison with Leeds

Hardaker 180 metres
Peacock 168 metres
Hall 129 metres
Watkins 119 metres
Briscoe 117 metres

Delaney 116 metres
Ablett 114metres
Burrow 110 metres
Leuluai 103 metres


* ive highlighted forwards in bold, as helps comparison



They must have missed some of Lms misses. I don't believe it was only 4.
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Re: Stats from the Leeds cup game : Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:59 am  
Our defence and defensive structure is becoming a huge problem. In the 1st few games we were restricting teams to less than 18 points. Now we can't keep them below 28-30 points.
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Re: Stats from the Leeds cup game : Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:17 pm  
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Our defence and defensive structure is becoming a huge problem. In the 1st few games we were restricting teams to less than 18 points. Now we can't keep them below 28-30 points.


Our entire gameplan seems the same, it's not like the attack is any better organised. We were a farce in attack against Leeds. On the rare occasion we got ball in their 20 we wasted 3 tackles with one out runs by non threatening players, then attempted to throw it wide in one direction in the vain hope that there would be an overlap, more often than not the superior line speed meaning we were stopped mid flow and knocked on or were tackled.

The coaching side seems to be a big problem in general. I still don't have a clue what type of team Brown is trying to make us. Are we going for the bish-bash-bosh approach of the early SL Bulls, the scintilating attacking of our SL glory days, the physical approach ala Maguire/Wane era Wigan or the more regimented NRL style percentage play? We don't seem to do any of them and it all comes back to a lack of desire, commitment and focus for me, which ultimately is Brown's fault.
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Re: Stats from the Leeds cup game : Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:37 pm  
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Our entire gameplan seems the same, it's not like the attack is any better organised. We were a farce in attack against Leeds. On the rare occasion we got ball in their 20 we wasted 3 tackles with one out runs by non threatening players, then attempted to throw it wide in one direction in the vain hope that there would be an overlap, more often than not the superior line speed meaning we were stopped mid flow and knocked on or were tackled.

The coaching side seems to be a big problem in general. I still don't have a clue what type of team Brown is trying to make us. Are we going for the bish-bash-bosh approach of the early SL Bulls, the scintilating attacking of our SL glory days, the physical approach ala Maguire/Wane era Wigan or the more regimented NRL style percentage play? We don't seem to do any of them and it all comes back to a lack of desire, commitment and focus for me, which ultimately is Brown's fault.


At times this year we've looked clinical in attack when bringing lomax into play out wide. Even in the first half against Wigan we opened them up with ease.

It just seems like we can't do it often enough and good enough. It's clear we are moving the ball wide this year compared to recent years as Walsh seems to have every kick off the touch line and swift and Tommy are scoring.

If you take Walsh and lomax out of our team, we'd struggle to score. If Walsh doesn't play to his ability we look lost. That indicates what we all know, we need a stand off! Travis Burns would be ideal IMO.

If the forwards can move us up field and we get Walsh and lomax firing again, I'm pretty sure we will put points on the board but at the moment we can get go forward so our attack is starting to deep.

We actually missed Hohaia against Leeds. He's a threat and teams stand off him and we missed his defence.

Manu has been a very very big loss. He wasn't playing to well but we have really missed him. He makes meters, busts tackles, can off load and he's a proper player and very solid.
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Re: Stats from the Leeds cup game : Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:46 pm  
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They must have missed some of Lms misses. I don't believe it was only 4.



They don,t have a stats column for non attempted tackles!
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Re: Stats from the Leeds cup game : Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:11 pm  
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They don,t have a stats column for non attempted tackles!


Ah, that's it then :thumb:
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Re: Stats from the Leeds cup game : Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:14 pm  
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They don,t have a stats column for non attempted tackles!


I like to think, when my opinion clashes with the evidence, that I will alter my opinion. As opposed to deny the evidence.

The whole tackles/missed tackles thing is a bit misleading looked at in isolation anyway. What matters is the ratio. If you make 50 tackles, I'll forgive your 3 misses. If you make 8 tackles, your 3 misses are unacceptable. However, if you play in the forwards, most of your tackles are guys running straight at you, and it's unlikely to be one on one. If you play in the backs, there's more space, more speed, and more support play, with lots of one-on-one situations, so missing tackles is more likely.

Last year, Hohaia and Perry were the scapegoats. This year LMS is currently the goaty leader, but I think he's carrying the can for a much wider malaise in the team.
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