Something has to change : Sun May 27, 2012 11:49 pm  

We're so slow and lacking in ideas it unbelievable. Yes we played well against Leeds but they are not in the same league as Wigan who just look at our weaknesses and expose them. Surely a better team would be:

Hohaia - terrible at SO, FB would let him play how he wants to.
Gardner - the fact he's our best winger says a lot.
Wheeler - awful today but not finished yet.
Jones - showed more in the couple of games he's had than shenton ever has.
Makinson - never lets anyone down and is very quick.
Gaskell - we need a half back that can control a game and kick.
Lomax - looked miles better last year playing with Gaskell.
Perry - has been improving recently.
Roby - still best in the league with tomkins IMO.
Puletua - we are a different side with him playing well.
Lafranchi - SR more natural to him also makes our pack bigger.
Soliola - shocker today but still been one of the best so far this season.
Wilkin - needs to improve but still good enough.

Shenton, flannery, meli should not play again. If we had more wingers I'd also give FB spot to makinson and get rid of hohaia as well.

Re: Something has to change : Sun May 27, 2012 11:55 pm  

You could go that way, but at the moment Wheeler has actually had a run of games and well is starting to look vulnerable in defense. Not something I thought earlier in the season as I was impessed by his evasiveness.

But now it's dropped balls, defensive frailities, and less attack that is standing out. Are we now saying our halves can't pass right or left to excuse the centres?

Re: Something has to change : Mon May 28, 2012 12:01 am  

That side would do no better. It's our recruitment and poor retention decisions over the past 5 years that is costing us. I wince everytime we have a team sheet read out, there is nothing any coach could do to make that lot win a trophy.

Wellens is simply awful, contributing nothing
Gardner and Meli are terrible
Wheeler is shocking, Shenton devoid of confidence and being offered to other clubs
Hohaia is the worst signing the club has made in decades

We've got the worst backline in the competition, bar possibly London and Wakey. I'd swap our 1-7 with Salford in a heartbeat.

Everything at the club has been about the stadium. A worthy subject of Eamon's time no doubt and one that ultimately makes the club far stronger than winning a couple of trophies but still being at KR would have. We've been so distracted that we've made poor choices in every aspect of the game, but primarily coaching and recruitment. Just about every rugby decision made by the club since Daniel Anderson left has been a mistake and we're suffering the consequences of that now.

There is not going be some miraculous turn around under Brown either, it'll take us years to become truly competitive again. He's got an incredibly difficult job ahead of him and needs to changed pretty much everything at the club from top to bottom. Whether he'll get the chance to do that remains to be seen however. We're in trouble and I'd be amazed if we won a trophy in the next 5 years.

Re: Something has to change : Mon May 28, 2012 12:02 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

You could go that way, but at the moment Wheeler has actually had a run of games and well is starting to look vulnerable in defense. Not something I thought earlier in the season as I was impessed by his evasiveness.

But now it's dropped balls, defensive frailities, and less attack that is standing out. Are we now saying our halves can't pass right or left to excuse the centres?

There are no excuses. Wheeler has been ok in most games, some defensive errors and he was awful today. But he is in no way compable to the ------ of shenton. Every time he gets the ball the attack dies. Out of shenton, wheeler, jones and meli, wheeler and jones would be my centres.

Re: Something has to change : Mon May 28, 2012 12:08 am  

Saddened! wrote:

That side would do no better. It's our recruitment and poor retention decisions over the past 5 years that is costing us. I wince everytime we have a team sheet read out, there is nothing any coach could do to make that lot win a trophy.

Wellens is simply awful, contributing nothing
Gardner and Meli are terrible
Wheeler is shocking, Shenton devoid of confidence and being offered to other clubs
Hohaia is the worst signing the club has made in decades

We've got the worst backline in the competition, bar possibly London and Wakey. I'd swap our 1-7 with Salford in a heartbeat.

Everything at the club has been about the stadium. A worthy subject of Eamon's time no doubt and one that ultimately makes the club far stronger than winning a couple of trophies but still being at KR would have. We've been so distracted that we've made poor choices in every aspect of the game, but primarily coaching and recruitment. Just about every rugby decision made by the club since Daniel Anderson left has been a mistake and we're suffering the consequences of that now.

There is not going be some miraculous turn around under Brown either, it'll take us years to become truly competitive again. He's got an incredibly difficult job ahead of him and needs to changed pretty much everything at the club from top to bottom. Whether he'll get the chance to do that remains to be seen however. We're in trouble and I'd be amazed if we won a trophy in the next 5 years.

Whilst you make the odd good point, your melodrama is growing increasingly tedious.

Re: Something has to change : Mon May 28, 2012 12:10 am  

Tony Stark wrote:

Whilst you make the odd good point, your melodrama is growing increasingly tedious.

Melodrama? Do you disagree with any of what I posted? Do you rate the current squad any higher?

Re: Something has to change : Mon May 28, 2012 12:17 am  

Saddened! wrote:

Melodrama? Do you disagree with any of what I posted? Do you rate the current squad any higher?

That brown will have to change the club top to bottom, would seam a little over the top. Are we now binning Roby, Sia, TP, Lomax???

Are we better now than when Royce was in charge?

I would argue a new coach can change alot. I don't know if you have ever worked in an enviroment with poor leadership, but a new leader can change alot.

I think we have a coaching team that are effective against lower opposition, but when faced with Wigan do not have the experience to get the team out there ready to compete at a level close enough.

Re: Something has to change : Mon May 28, 2012 12:18 am  

I completely agree with Saddened with regards to swapping 1-7. We have the odd individually better player but as a unit Salford's is better, as much as it pains me to say it.

1. Patten v Wellens - Patten
2. Broughton v Gardner - Broughton
3. Gleeson v Shenton - Gleeson
4. Moon v Wheeler - Moon (Although I'd probably stick Wheeler in the other centre spot)
5. Williams v Meli - Williams
6. Holdsworth v Hohaia - Holdsworth
7. Smith v Lomax - Lomax (but I'd prefer Lomax at 6 with Smith at 7)

Re: Something has to change : Mon May 28, 2012 12:29 am  

Predictions of impending Götterdämmerung are way off the mark. Provided Gaskell and Makinson can achieve what I expect at stand-off and full back we are only two good signings away from being contenders.

After all, the pack is fundamentally sound. And that's more than half the battle won. Hell, just getting Lomax back to full confidence and playing well will give us an enormous boost.

Re: Something has to change : Mon May 28, 2012 12:40 am  

Saddened! wrote:

i) I wince everytime we have a team sheet read out

there is nothing any coach could do to make that lot win a trophy

Wellens is simply awful, contributing nothing

Wheeler is shocking

Hohaia is the worst signing the club has made in decades

We've got the worst backline in the competition

Everything at the club has been about the stadium

we've made poor choices in every aspect of the game

It'll take us years to become truly competitive again

need to change pretty much everything at the club from top to bottom.

We're in trouble and I'd be amazed if we won a trophy in the next 5 years.

All of the above.

Don't get me wrong, I agree we are a shadow of our former selves but sometimes you have to be realistic and, rather than just spout hyperbole in every post like a newspaper headline or radio soundbite, once in a while think about things like; why we haven't splashed the cash on 4-5 world-class players each season, or gotten Wayne Bennett as coach, or why we haven't seen the best out of every player in every game since *the miraculous season of 2006 when we won every game by 30+ points by playing entertaining and expansive rugby*

*Melodramatic