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Message to my beloved saintsfan... : Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:36 pm  
After you've celebrated us losing and telling us just how good Royce was and how Royce beat Wigan last year, just sit down in a dark room alone abs watch the game back and you will see what a proper halfback plays like.

Finch totally controlled that game, he organised Wigan all day, directing them, telling them where he wanted them, what he wanted while lance hohaia (I still say he's not a halfback) was average again, his kicking was shocking again.

I dont care what you say my sweetheart, we are desperate for a stand off!
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Re: Message to my beloved saintsfan... : Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:35 pm  
So you are saying evidence of Royce being a bad coach is that you beat them last year and didn't this year, without him?

I'm confused.

What has Royce got to do with a stand off. He played what the board buy him; which appears to be absolute poop.
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Re: Message to my beloved saintsfan... : Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:38 pm  
jdrocket wrote:
So you are saying evidence of Royce being a bad coach is that you beat them last year and didn't this year, without him?

I'm confused.

What has Royce got to do with a stand off. He played what the board buy him; which appears to be absolute poop.



No I'm not saying that, private joke.
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Re: Message to my beloved saintsfan... : Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:58 pm  
Blaming Royce for the half-back situation is nonsensical. McManus shares as much or more of the blame for allowing the Eastmond saga to drag into the start of last season - giving us no chance to recruit a good half.

Had McManus given Eastmond an unequivocal deadline "sign or leave" half way through the season before we could have attracted a good playmaker.

McManus didn't. Instead he thought he'd lucked out with Lomax showing good form immediately after the Eastmond transfer. Unfortunately McManus made the fundamental error of mistaking temporary form for inherent class.
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Re: Message to my beloved saintsfan... : Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:03 pm  
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No I'm not saying that, private joke.


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Re: Message to my beloved saintsfan... : Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:05 pm  
Too many average players in our squad these days is the main problem.Even our so called big signings eg Shenton are mediocre.
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Re: Message to my beloved saintsfan... : Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:13 pm  
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Blaming Royce for the half-back situation is nonsensical. McManus shares as much or more of the blame for allowing the Eastmond saga to drag into the start of last season - giving us no chance to recruit a good half.

Had McManus given Eastmond an unequivocal deadline "sign or leave" half way through the season before we could have attracted a good playmaker.

McManus didn't. Instead he thought he'd lucked out with Lomax showing good form immediately after the Eastmond transfer. Unfortunately McManus made the fundamental error of mistaking temporary form for inherent class.


Hang on. At the start of last season, we had Eastmond (the most exciting halfback to emerge in British RL in some time)& Pryce (hugely experienced & a proven top class performer for Saints, able to guide KE through) as first choice halfbacks. Eastmond was halfway through a 2 year deal and many expected him to leave at the end of it. Very few expected him to effectively give up playing RL with the season still in front of him.

How do you know that McManus hadn't given him that ultimatum the season before and had his bluff called? Which chairman would have turned down the chance to keep him for the second season of a 2 year deal (with maybe the chance of getting him on another deal at the end of it) in favour of taking the moral highground and demanding he sign an extensuion or sod off?

During last season, it was obvious Pryce was also going to leave - and we signed Hohaia to play halfback (or the PR was complete guff). OK, Hohaia hadn't played halfback fulltime - but he had experience there and it was (is) his favourite position.

It's still early days, but I think Hohaia is a good buy and has shown he can be a top class halfback in SL (Leeds, Wire - remember he was the only HB on the field for most of today's game and was expertly targetted and nullified by wi*an)

In all, I can't see - without the benefit of hindsight - what McManus could have done differently in the circumstances, apart from maybe sign a different experienced halfback (which we don't know were available, especially for the salary we'd be able to offer, especially-especially given the exchange rate at the moment)
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Re: Message to my beloved saintsfan... : Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:22 pm  
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Hang on. At the start of last season, we had Eastmond (the most exciting halfback to emerge in British RL in some time)& Pryce (hugely experienced & a proven top class performer for Saints, able to guide KE through) as first choice halfbacks. Eastmond was halfway through a 2 year deal and many expected him to leave at the end of it. Very few expected him to effectively give up playing RL with the season still in front of him.


Err ... Chris Ashton? Perhaps we didn't know he would leave early (although the rumour mill was in overdrive at the end of the season previous) but we certainly DID know there was every possibility his form might collapse in similar fashion.

Indeed, based on the testimonies of those who have first hand experience of Kyle's personality traits I'd say Ashton or worse (worse) was a certainty.
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