Any regrets - 2012 players roster? : Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:59 pm  

With the downfall of crusaders, players like Ohara, peek withers, sammut, Witt on the market and the release of Willie tonga and Daniel Mortimer in aus.

Any regrets on our signings for the 2012 roster? Can we squeezevany in under the cap and quota?

What is this I hear about Moore leaving and a prop coming in. Any truth?

Re: Any regrets - 2012 players roster? : Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:33 am  

If Moore leaves to accomodate Flanagan it's another recruitment mistake. He's been fantastic this season and brings the only aggression we have. We'll be so utterly soft without him and Jammer if that's true.

Re: Any regrets - 2012 players roster? : Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:52 am  

We could only release Moore for disciplinary reasons surely? I don't know the ins and out of the legal trouble he's in but I hope they aren't serious enough for the club to consider sacking him. He's been impressive this season and can play in a number of positions.

As for Crusaders, I personally wouldn't take any of them, maybe Michael Witt would be worth a look at if we ended up having to release Pryce but even then I would sooner give Gaskell a longer run in the team.

Re: Any regrets - 2012 players roster? : Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:35 am  

NZ_SAINTS wrote:

Any regrets on our signings for the 2012 roster?

I cannot see the logic behind next years signings.

If we take this years squad, minus Graham and Eastmond, possibly Pryce, then we have a major hole in the front row. The loss of Eastmond is already covered by the emergence of players like Lomax, Gaskell and Wheeler. If Pryce is confirmed to be leaving, then we do need a top stand off to repalce him, his influence on the game, over and above what the youngsters can provide, has been plain to see since his return. If Pryce stays, we do not need any more halfbacks.

So, how to use the quota spots? I would suggest one has to be an out and out prop. The other, a good quality outside back. Instead, we have got Laffranchi, who is a back rower who is going to be asked to play prop, and Hohaia, who Royce has said will play as a half back. If we keep Pryce, there is therefore no room in the team for Lomax, Gaskell, or Wheeler, other than on the bench, or the treatment table. Royce has said that Wellenes will be captain next year, so must assume that he will be starting the majority of games at FB.

It appears as though we have bought what is available, rather than whet we really need, which is odd considering our otherwise pretty good recruitment since McManus has been in charge. Were the decisions purely down to Royce?

Re: Any regrets - 2012 players roster? : Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:52 am  

SomersetSaint wrote:

Instead, we have got Laffranchi, who is a back rower who is going to be asked to play prop

Hasn't he played prop for Gold Coast most of 2011 after they signed Greg Bird to play in the back row?

Some former back rowers are more than capable of playing prop to a high level - look at Jamie Peacock. Just read this about Laffranchi - written post 2010 season:

"Anthony Laffranchi was unfairly made a scapegoat by Blues selectors last season but his on-field performances were again exceptional throughout all of 2010. He has an immense appetite for work averaging 107.1 metres on 13.8 runs and 32.2 tackles a match. Laffranchi also managed 7 tries for the third time in four seasons at the Gold Coast. Laffranchi is a dangerous fringe runner who defends like a prop and is willing to do the hard yards up the middle. There are few tougher players in the NRL and he will hopefully be rewarded with a rep recall in the very near future."

Sounds like he is capable.

SomersetSaint wrote:

If we keep Pryce, there is therefore no room in the team for Lomax, Gaskell, or Wheeler, other than on the bench, or the treatment table.

Gaskell, although talented, will not suffer from a year on loan. He's shown good signs, but has been falling away a bit recently. He needs to mature and develop his game without the pressure of being our 1st choice half; it's a year or so too early IMO.

Re: Any regrets - 2012 players roster? : Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:18 pm  

Laffranchi is a class player, I have no doubts about that. With him, a fullly-fit Perry, TP, LMS and Clough all up front with Magennis providing cover we won't have many problems up front next year.

Hohaia is good cover at full-back and the halves, hopefully we can get a solid 1/6/7 combination at some point next year that can take us forward. I think Wellens will start in the team but will be gradually phased out.

Flanagan is a good signing but I can only assume that we are moving on one or both of Ashurst/Dixon, probably on loan as I can't see them either getting regular game time next year.

In an ideal world I would have taken Ratchford who has so far not fulfilled his potential but has great talent. That aside I think we've done pretty well and if we can somehow keep Pryce and get Wheeler and Perry fit then we will have some squad for 2012.

Re: Any regrets - 2012 players roster? : Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:28 pm  

I'm pretty sure the best players at crusaders are restricted because of the quota system.

When you talk recruitment it all depends where people play as to whether we have a good squad.

If you look at the options
FB Wellens/Lomax/Pryce
Wing Makinson/Foster/Gardner
Centre Shenton & Meli cover with Wheeler / Flannery/ Soliola
Half backs Lance/Pryce/Lomax/Wheeler/Gaskell

Props TP/Perry/LMS/Clough/Laffranchi/ Forester / possibly another signing???
2nd row Wilkin/Flannery/Soliola/Flanaghan
Loose Wilkin/Flannery/Laffranchi/

So you have a pretty strong sqaud with positions covered everywhere. I've excluded Moore based on the rumour mill and included Pryce. There maybe another prop signing we just don't know till September when clubs can talk to players out of contract.

Realistically the only signings I would like to see are Pryce and a prop.

Whether there is the cap for both who knows?

Re: Any regrets - 2012 players roster? : Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:33 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

I cannot see the logic behind next years signings.

If we take this years squad, minus Graham and Eastmond, possibly Pryce, then we have a major hole in the front row. The loss of Eastmond is already covered by the emergence of players like Lomax, Gaskell and Wheeler. If Pryce is confirmed to be leaving, then we do need a top stand off to repalce him, his influence on the game, over and above what the youngsters can provide, has been plain to see since his return. If Pryce stays, we do not need any more halfbacks.

So, how to use the quota spots? I would suggest one has to be an out and out prop. The other, a good quality outside back. Instead, we have got Laffranchi, who is a back rower who is going to be asked to play prop, and Hohaia, who Royce has said will play as a half back. If we keep Pryce, there is therefore no room in the team for Lomax, Gaskell, or Wheeler, other than on the bench, or the treatment table. Royce has said that Wellenes will be captain next year, so must assume that he will be starting the majority of games at FB.

It appears as though we have bought what is available, rather than whet we really need, which is odd considering our otherwise pretty good recruitment since McManus has been in charge. Were the decisions purely down to Royce?

I can see what you're saying mostly, but I don't know how we can buy what we need rather than what's available. How can we buy something/someone that's not available? Surely we have to look at what's available and come up with a way of adapting what we have plus the best of what's available to come up with the best squad we can. If you could just go to "RL Players R Us" and fill your trolley it'd be easy.

I think having enough bodies to allow for people being on the treatment table is very wise, particularly given what we've witnessed this season.

Re: Any regrets - 2012 players roster? : Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:47 pm  

Harry Pinner wrote:

I can see what you're saying mostly, but I don't know how we can buy what we need rather than what's available. How can we buy something/someone that's not available? Surely we have to look at what's available and come up with a way of adapting what we have plus the best of what's available to come up with the best squad we can. If you could just go to "RL Players R Us" and fill your trolley it'd be easy.

I think having enough bodies to allow for people being on the treatment table is very wise, particularly given what we've witnessed this season.

And it may be that laffranchi is seen as the best option to fill the prop slot vacated by Graham. But where does hohaia fit in to that? Can you honestly say we need another halfback? Or another average backrower in flanaghamn?

Re: Any regrets - 2012 players roster? : Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:23 pm  

I think Flanagan is going to surprise a lot of people. Think he's a great signing.