Re: Leeds game : Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:35 pm  

St pete wrote:

Still missing my point tho

How did greenwood and Vea make their breaks ?

There aren't many if any who individually can break defences down these days, but we did have a team who could create enough confusion. It's easy to say xyz can't make something out of nothing, id be more concerned if we couldn't make the passes to break a team - but we need a plan b at the moment ,,,

Re: Leeds game : Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:36 pm  

St pete wrote:

Swift is another of the scape goats on here along with lance and Wilkin but the are others just as bad who get a easy ride on here.


Tommy doesn't make the mistakes swift does but tommy is very poor with the ball. Very rare he beats a man. He's a top class finisher and defender but he's no better than Wello on his kick returns.

Turner is possibly the worst defensive centre in super league. He's worse than Sarginson but gets a easy ride.

Mose (need I say more)

Yet when Swifty has bad game he gets jumped on.

Fair enough, I maybe just don't like Swift as he's so ugly and that annoys me as well. He's had a fair few bad games this season.

I've never been a fan of Turner, never rated him. He seems a couple of stone overweight. When he went the length of Langtree Park against us, he could shift. Now he can't and I agree entirely on his defending.

Mose is useless for a man of his size, but it's up to KC to get him firing and he's failing massively. An fired up Mose is a unique asset in SL, there is no one else like him. We're not getting enough out of him, but the use of him is bizarre at times. Tonight in his first spell Mose ten minutes chasing after Leeds players as they ran diagonally away from him. He had one 'run' where the ball was thrown to his feet and he had to trap it and pick it up and he was taken off. I understand he's lazy at times, but when you drag him off so quickly what is he supposed to do? He was better in his second spell but again was dragged off. If KC isn't happy with his effort, he shouldn't pick him.

Re: Leeds game : Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:38 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

I firmly believe our entire game plan is to have big second rowers to do exactly that - and that's why Greenwood started like a house on fire, flanagan by contrast just doesn't offer anything, Thompson as much as he has been great doesn't offer the line running to bust the tackles and LMS keeps gettin sucked into the middle, leaving us constantly short out wide.

Our tactics haven't changed since we lost Vea, Greenwood and Percival out wide, and it really needs to. Problem is were 3 months away from them coming back...

The positives are there if you want to see them, but I've been waiting for a response for 4 weeks and not got one. This will either be the bottom of the trough, or there's a lot more pain to come ...

"Bottom of the trough"? Good god, man! We're currently lying second whilst smack in the middle of one of the worst injury runs we've experienced in a long time. If that's rock bottom I'll take it every day of the week.

Oh ye of little, little faith.

Re: Leeds game : Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:39 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Peacock.

So Leeds' whole reason for winning anything is built around a 37 year old prop forward? I think you need some kip, maybe tomorrow you will revisit this forum and wince.

Re: Leeds game : Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:41 pm  

Those currently criticising Turner's defence - precisely what do you think about Warrington's or Wigan's outside defence last night?

Seriously, was I watching a different game? Sarginson? The entire Warrington back division?

In case you haven't realised, these are two out of three of our major rivals!

Re: Leeds game : Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:42 pm  

tony1983 wrote:

So Leeds' whole reason for winning anything is built around a 37 year old prop forward? I think you need some kip, maybe tomorrow you will revisit this forum and wince.

Enjoy your win. Seriously.

Re: Leeds game : Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:42 pm  

Saints will be fine now Walsh is back, add in at least one of Greenwood or Vea into the back row to get Gash Flanagan out of the side and Saints will be at least up there challenging for trophies. The back line is terrible but the rest of the side looks very strong.

On another note I thought Savelio was superb and surely can't be dropped? Greg Richards however, continues to look like a pudding.

Re: Leeds game : Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:46 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Mose is useless for a man of his size, but it's up to KC to get him firing and he's failing massively. An fired up Mose is a unique asset in SL, there is no one else like him. We're not getting enough out of him, but the use of him is bizarre at times. Tonight in his first spell Mose ten minutes chasing after Leeds players as they ran diagonally away from him. He had one 'run' where the ball was thrown to his feet and he had to trap it and pick it up and he was taken off. I understand he's lazy at times, but when you drag him off so quickly what is he supposed to do? He was better in his second spell but again was dragged off. If KC isn't happy with his effort, he shouldn't pick him.

I do agree with this. Mose was repeatedly asked to play much longer spells last season. I really don't understand this fixation with 10 minute spells. It's putting too much pressure on Amor who does look a little underdone.

I'm not too concerned about Kyle. He's played brilliantly for us since he arrived. He's entitled to the odd dip in form. I do tend to agree with the opinion that he looks a little "light" this season. If anything he seems like someone whose coming back from a bad virus or something. Come the end of the season I'm sure he'll be ok.

Re: Leeds game : Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:46 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

Saints will be fine now Walsh is back, add in at least one of Greenwood or Vea into the back row to get Gash Flanagan out of the side and Saints will be at least up there challenging for trophies. The back line is terrible but the rest of the side looks very strong.

On another note I thought Savelio was superb and surely can't be dropped? Greg Richards however, continues to look like a pudding.

Richards is at present, but he's very young. Agree on Savelio, we've got a couple of consecutive home games coming up so I'd play him in those.

Leeds look very exciting this season, what would you put that down to? I've got a theory it's to do with Sinfield not having anywhere near as much involvement but I've not seen all that much of Leeds?

Re: Leeds game : Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:47 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Peacock.

Peacock has only really turned up in the 2/3 games. By his usual standards he was going through the motions in the first 6/7 rounds (even though his average is better than most props good days). Most Leeds fans will tell you that Cuthbertson has been our best prop this year and also Singlton has played a strong part too (hell even JJB was having a strong season before injury playing in the front row). Similarly if you ask Leeds fans who our best forward has been, quite a few will say Stevie Ward, again tonight his workload was huge and you seem to overlook the efforts of quite a few Leeds forwards to roll out an image from 1/2 years ago that it's solely Peacock......well it isn't anymore.