Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:45 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Tonight was another embarassment. Did anyone really expect a result tonight? I was cringing when Dave Lyon was choosing our player of the year and suggesting we'd run all over Hull in the second half once their heads went down. Then it sounded like we barely got out of our half in the second 40 and were a comfortable second to a Hull side that was in a terrible run of form.

The fact we're top of the league at this stage of the season is simply ridiculous. How have we done that when we've been terrible for most of the season? I can't see that side winning another game.

Where was McDonnell tonight? I didn't hear his name once, was he not picked? They were going on about how we had little attacking threat, but is it any wonder with Turner and Wheeler in the halves and Wellens at fullback? With those three in the key attacking positions, it's a wonder we scored at all.

They had GOT to do something different, at least attempt to end the season respectably. Bring Swift back in FFS, bring someone in to play 6 and get the pack moving. How can the pack can go from dominating Widnes to being destroyed by Hull FC?

a) how can it both be an embarrassment and no one expected a result?

b) perhaps the fact were top of the league implies we haven't been as terrible as you imply for the majority of the season?

c) McDonnell didn't play tonight no. Yet our attack was about as creative as theirs. What let us down was errors and penalties.

d) the pack weren't particularly dominated, penalties and errors were our downfall

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:47 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

I cringe at the thought of Wello in the halves but we need some attacking potency. I think we would have gone all night without a third try, although keeping hold of the ball and not giving away penalties might have helped our cause somewhat.

We should just play 5 drives and bomb the hell out of them. It's our only hope. We won't create anything with wello/wheeler/turner in the halves.

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:47 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

I cringe at the thought of Wello in the halves but we need some attacking potency. I think we would have gone all night without a third try, although keeping hold of the ball and not giving away penalties might have helped our cause somewhat.

Wellens is the man to play in the halves if we are to bring a kid in.

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:47 pm  

By all accounts we dominated the first quarter of the game, then let Hull crash over from short range for two ties.
After that it was plenty of errors from a team lacking in creativity.
If we lose top spot I don,t think it will be down to this game the loss at Catalan and Hull KR were significant losses.
We still have the destiny in our hands so we don,t surrender as yet not like some of the posters on here.

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:52 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Wellens is the man to play in the halves if we are to bring a kid in.

I think wello is awful in the halves, he looks totally out of his depth and I actually feel embarrassed for him when he's playing there.

However, we need a experienced player who has the bottle to try and dictate things like Wilkin has done in the past. Wello is a player that players look up to which you need in the halves. McDonnell would bring some much needed attack to the back line.

I don't see any other option but to put well other and McDonnell at fullback. We also need swift back in as he is dangerous with the ball.

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:56 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

a) how can it both be an embarrassment and no one expected a result?

b) perhaps the fact were top of the league implies we haven't been as terrible as you imply for the majority of the season?

c) McDonnell didn't play tonight no. Yet our attack was about as creative as theirs. What let us down was errors and penalties.

d) the pack weren't particularly dominated, penalties and errors were our downfall

a) Because Hull are absolutely terrible and hadn't won in 9 games. Without Walsh, that's the level we're at, bottom 4/5 club.
b) No, we have definitely been terrible for most of it. It's perhaps a reflection that the standard this season has hit rock bottom, OR just the fact that the other usual suspects for top spot have been trying to pace themselves. Warrington in particular have definitely been pacing themselves.
c) Why didn't he play? Why? Our attack was as creative as theirs and they've not won in 9 games. What does that say?
d) From the radio commentary it sounded like we struggled to get out of our own half for the final 30 minutes. Hull's pack is awful, so what does that say about ours? Even without Walsh, we should still have been all over them, putting pressure on them and keeping them in their half. Doesn't sound like we managed it?

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:57 pm  

First of all, congratulations on winning the Steve Prescott Cup. I know you're aiming for bigger and better trophys this year but I have no doubt both teams and fans wanted their name on it first.

Have to say though, if Wheeler and Turner are going to be getting a run of games together (no sure how long your injured players are out for) then be prepared for worse losses than tonight.
Neither player offered anything, and Turner was, by a long way, the worst player on the pitch.
Lack of halves forced you to play up the middle were Hull were dominant. Put Walsh in that team tonight and you guys would have won. You had plenty of chances just convert them (likewise us).

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:57 pm  

St pete wrote:

I think wello is awful in the halves, he looks totally out of his depth and I actually feel embarrassed for him when he's playing there.

However, we need a experienced player who has the bottle to try and dictate things like Wilkin has done in the past. Wello is a player that players look up to which you need in the halves. McDonnell would bring some much needed attack to the back line.

I don't see any other option but to put well other and McDonnell at fullback. We also need swift back in as he is dangerous with the ball.

Wellens will ensure the kid is the one who cracks the whip, is "solid" and is still okay at running moving the ball along the line when not in the 3rd pivot position:

McDonnell
Makinson Turner Percival Swift
Wellens Charnock
Amor Roby Walmsley
Flanaghan Manu
Soliola

Masoe LMS Laffranchi Thompson

???

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:03 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Wellens will ensure the kid is the one who cracks the whip, is "solid" and is still okay at running moving the ball along the line when not in the 3rd pivot position:

McDonnell
Makinson Turner Percival Swift
Wellens Charnock
Amor Roby Walmsley
Flanaghan Manu
Soliola

Masoe LMS Laffranchi Thompson

???

Charnock not ready. Hewitt is not ready. We can't kill kids for the sake of the rest of the season.

I'd go

McDonnell
Makinson
Turner
Percy
Swift
Wheeler
Wello

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:05 pm  

St pete wrote:

Charnock not ready. Hewitt is not ready. We can't kill kids for the sake of the rest of the season.

I'd go

McDonnell
Makinson
Turner
Percy
Swift
Wheeler
Wello

That team doesn't answer the kicking problem?