Re: O'Brien : Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:52 am  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

Nice try at avoiding answering the question though. So I'l rephrase it, why do you speculate that it was all to do with Rush not liking Gaskell, rather than anything else, given that there are numerous rumours about it?

Because that is the reason which makes most sense to me.

Re: O'Brien : Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:10 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

Because that is the reason which makes most sense to me.

Just because it makes sense to you doesn't make it fact. I have been told ( by persons who shall remain nameless but are in a much better position than you ) that it was Gaskells general attitude around the squad which was the problem. He was starting to drive wedges in between himself and senior squad members. I trust who told me this, therefore i believe it.

Re: O'Brien : Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:42 am  

Top Saint wrote:

Just because it makes sense to you doesn't make it fact.

I didn't say it did and I have never claimed it did.

Re: O'Brien : Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:19 am  

Top Saint wrote:

Just because it makes sense to you doesn't make it fact. I have been told ( by persons who shall remain nameless but are in a much better position than you ) that it was Gaskells general attitude around the squad which was the problem. He was starting to drive wedges in between himself and senior squad members. I trust who told me this, therefore i believe it.

Senior members you mean wello and Wilkin you ask other senior members of the squad what they think of Gaskell and they won't say a bad word about him most say he been treated badly by saints

Re: O'Brien : Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:47 am  

http://www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport ... -1-5812309

http://www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport ... -1-5812309

Re: O'Brien : Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:11 am  

O'Brien seems a bang average player to me. Hard to believe that any of our young lads would make a much worse fist of it.

Re: O'Brien : Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:49 am  

Billinge Wires wrote:

snip.

Re: O'Brien : Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:55 am  

I was beginning to wonder when the discussion would come back to O'Brien rather than a full blooded discussion about Lee Gaskell, who for whatever reasons he has been "binned off", had nothing to do with the initial posting of this thread..

I understand that Gaskell could have done a job for us, but he isn't with us so there is not much point discussing his value, or lack there of, to our squad...

So back on topic, I listened to the game Friday night and heard his named mentioned no fewer than 4 times dropping the ball in good positions... was this a poor performance by O'Brien alone or just summed up the night for Saints?

Re: O'Brien : Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:00 pm  

St_Cunningham_no9 wrote:

I was beginning to wonder when the discussion would come back to O'Brien rather than a full blooded discussion about Lee Gaskell, who for whatever reasons he has been "binned off", had nothing to do with the initial posting of this thread..

I understand that Gaskell could have done a job for us, but he isn't with us so there is not much point discussing his value, or lack there of, to our squad...

So back on topic, I listened to the game Friday night and heard his named mentioned no fewer than 4 times dropping the ball in good positions... was this a poor performance by O'Brien alone or just summed up the night for Saints?

He was dreadful but so were plenty others. It was a very very bad night. A couple of his dropsies were off terrible balls including a read stinker from Roby on one of the rare occasions we had field position.

Re: O'Brien : Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:01 pm  

St_Cunningham_no9 wrote:

I was beginning to wonder when the discussion would come back to O'Brien rather than a full blooded discussion about Lee Gaskell, who for whatever reasons he has been "binned off", had nothing to do with the initial posting of this thread..

I understand that Gaskell could have done a job for us, but he isn't with us so there is not much point discussing his value, or lack there of, to our squad...

So back on topic, I listened to the game Friday night and heard his named mentioned no fewer than 4 times dropping the ball in good positions... was this a poor performance by O'Brien alone or just summed up the night for Saints?

He was dreadful but so were plenty others. It was a very very bad night. A couple of his dropsies were off terrible balls including a read stinker from Roby on one of the rare occasions we had field position.