Re: Unacceptable : Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:30 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

a perfect example of stats not telling the whole story

Go one then. Expand ...

Re: Unacceptable : Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:37 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Jeez, you really have it in for Makinson don't you?

Here are some stats for you. They're only stats, obviously, but they are the only facts we have to hand.

Stats for Lomax in the Warrington game:

Tries - 0
Assists - 2
Tackles - 5
Marker Tackles - 0
Missed Tackles - 0
Busts - 2
Carries - 17
Metres - 104
Average Gain - 6.1
Breaks - 0
Errors - 0
Offloads - 1
Penalties - 0

Stats for Makinson in the Dragons game:

Tries - 0
Assists - 0
Tackles - 4
Marker Tackles - 0
Missed Tackles - 0
Busts - 3
Carries - 19
Metres - 151
Average Gain - 8
Breaks - 1
Errors - 1
Offloads - 0
Penalties - 0

In the game against Wigan, which I think was his first complete game at fullback this season, Makinson made 142 metres, scored a try, made 7 tackles and one assist (although he did miss 3 tackles and made one error).


So is Lomax really our only class fullback?

Stats don't always tell the whole story. Makinsons stats look as good a lomax in most departments but its where you make the breaks etc that can be match winners.

The two assists by lomax could be worth 12 points on the board which could make the difference in a game.

Even tackling stats can be misleading. Lomax made 2/3 try saving tackles in that game, add that to the two assists and he's man of the match.

Re: Unacceptable : Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:43 pm  

St pete wrote:

Stats don't always tell the whole story. Makinsons stats look as good a lomax in most departments but its where you make the breaks etc that can be match winners.

The two assists by lomax could be worth 12 points on the board which could make the difference in a game.

Even tackling stats can be misleading. Lomax made 2/3 try saving tackles in that game, add that to the two assists and he's man of the match.

The break Makinson made against the Dragons was superb and might have resulted in a try had Makinson not been stopped illegally, thus providing an opportunity for the Dragons to get their defences in order.

People are happily accepting everyone else's stats as legit. Why the resistence to Makinson's?

Re: Unacceptable : Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:47 pm  

Makinson is a decent fullback. I've been banging on about him playing fullback for years. I don't think he's quite as dangerous with the ball as Lomax is, but he's clearly a hell of a lot better than Wello. We have far bigger issues that whether Mako or J-Lo play fullback.

Re: Unacceptable : Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:56 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Makinson is a decent fullback. I've been banging on about him playing fullback for years. I don't think he's quite as dangerous with the ball as Lomax is, but he's clearly a hell of a lot better than Wello. We have far bigger issues that whether Mako or J-Lo play fullback.

completely agree, either at fullback isnt terrible, i just think J-Lo is a bigger attacking threat

Re: Unacceptable : Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:09 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

completely agree, either at fullback isnt terrible, i just think J-Lo is a bigger attacking threat

He is. More evasive and more of a ball player.

Re: Unacceptable : Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:10 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

The break Makinson made against the Dragons was superb and might have resulted in a try had Makinson not been stopped illegally, thus providing an opportunity for the Dragons to get their defences in order.

People are happily accepting everyone else's stats as legit. Why the resistence to Makinson's?

I've nothing against tommy, he's a decent player, I was showing how stats can be misleading at times.

If a player makes the same amounts of tackles but one player makes 3 try saving tackles then that stands out more.

Get what I mean ?

Re: Unacceptable : Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:31 am  

St pete wrote:

Get what I mean ?

I get what you mean but exactly the same principle applies to Lomax's stats, or indeed anyone else's.

Re: Unacceptable : Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:56 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

I get what you mean but exactly the same principle applies to Lomax's stats, or indeed anyone else's.

Haha I was only using that as a example to how stats can be misleading.

Re: Unacceptable : Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:11 pm  

A full back shouldn't have to make any tackles. Every time it does it will be because of a failing of the defensive line.

Stats are very useful, but should never be used as 100% of your theory. They should be used to complement what we see with our own eyes.

Makinson is a good fullback - probably a better full back than a winger, but Lomax was a revelation with only a 4 game run there.