Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:33 am  

William Eve wrote:

Which previous bans for ear biting were those?

William Zillman from gold coast got 8 games for a bite a couple of years ago.

Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:34 am  

So its 12 games -2 pre season games and possibly - the international games ( yet to be clarified ) it could be as little as 8 and even at 8 i think given the damage to Slater's ear its a bit harsh when you can eye gouge or jaw break and get less.

Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:39 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

None from me. It's a civil case and therefore is judged on the balance of probabilities rather than beyond reasonable doubt. The disciplinary committee have judged that on the balance of probabilities Jammer bit Slater's ear. The evidence is still inconclusive.

Given that this is a 12 match ban one thing is clear: the disciplinary committee wanted to make an example out of him. Previous bans for this have been 8 matches.

Previous bans for biting the arm not the face, also mitigated by showing contrition to the discipliary committee and an early guilty plea. Considering that case got 8 games, some would think Graham got off lightly.

There have been no similar cases to Graham's in recent memory.

I'm less than amazed that you haven't changed your mind, despite saying that you'd wait until the case was judged. Clearly that only applies if the considered judgement happens to back up your own prejudice.

Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:41 am  

brook40 wrote:

William Zillman from gold coast got 8 games for a bite a couple of years ago.

Was it an ear bite?
No?
Thought not.

Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:41 am  

brook40 wrote:

So its 12 games -2 pre season games and possibly - the international games ( yet to be clarified ) it could be as little as 8 and even at 8 i think given the damage to Slater's ear its a bit harsh when you can eye gouge or jaw break and get less.

Nope.
They aren't ear bites either.

Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:45 am  

William Eve wrote:

Nope.
They aren't ear bites either.

Im not arguing the guilt,but whats worse a broken jaw,the possibilty of getting blinded or a small knick on the ear ? Yes he bit him and yes its a stupid act from someone who should know better,but at the end of the day the damage that was actually caused should be taken into account,

Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:47 am  

William Eve wrote: Nope. They aren't ear bites either. There is no special charge of ear biting and therefore it is irrelevant where the bite is. Blood is pumped everywhere in the body, just in case you didn't realise, so where infection from a bite enters the body doesn't matter, it's the risk of infection that is the issue here not the location of the bite. As for the earlier request about NRL players and their bans for biting, scroll down to the bottom of this article and in actual fact it refers to the previous two players charged getting a combined ban of 12 weeks, so six each.

William Eve wrote: Nope. They aren't ear bites either. There is no special charge of ear biting and therefore it is irrelevant where the bite is. Blood is pumped everywhere in the body, just in case you didn't realise, so where infection from a bite enters the body doesn't matter, it's the risk of infection that is the issue here not the location of the bite. As for the earlier request about NRL players and their bans for biting, scroll down to the bottom of this article and in actual fact it refers to the previous two players charged getting a combined ban of 12 weeks, so six each.

Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:49 am  

Banned because he's English. He was found guilty even before the hearing had been done.

He should leave the NRL and return home.

Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:53 am  

SaintsFan wrote: There is no special charge of ear biting and therefore it is irrelevant where the bite is. Blood is pumped everywhere in the body, just in case you didn't realise, so where infection from a bite enters the body doesn't matter, it's the risk of infection that is the issue here not the location of the bite. If you are going to suggest that the NRL made an example of Graham by handing out a 12 game ban, you need to cite comparative like-for-like evidence of lesser bans being handed down for exactly the same offence of ear biting. Can you cite that evidence? Yes or no? SaintsFan wrote: As for the earlier request about NRL players and their bans for biting, scroll down to the bottom of this article and in actual fact it refers to the previous two players charged getting a combined ban of 12 weeks, so six each. Nope, those two cases you cite in that link above aren't examples of ear biting either.

SaintsFan wrote: There is no special charge of ear biting and therefore it is irrelevant where the bite is. Blood is pumped everywhere in the body, just in case you didn't realise, so where infection from a bite enters the body doesn't matter, it's the risk of infection that is the issue here not the location of the bite. If you are going to suggest that the NRL made an example of Graham by handing out a 12 game ban, you need to cite comparative like-for-like evidence of lesser bans being handed down for exactly the same offence of ear biting. Can you cite that evidence? Yes or no? SaintsFan wrote: As for the earlier request about NRL players and their bans for biting, scroll down to the bottom of this article and in actual fact it refers to the previous two players charged getting a combined ban of 12 weeks, so six each. Nope, those two cases you cite in that link above aren't examples of ear biting either.

Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:53 am  

I think even if he had pleaded guilty they would of given him 12 games.A guilty plea would of taken the ban down to 8 and then you could of taken off the pre season and possibly the internationals ( if thats allowed ) leaving him with 4 games,there is no way they would of settled for that with it being the showcase final.