[Durham Giant]

Re: Brown n out?? : Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:00 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

It's tricky as it's a results based industry and the results say that he had to go. However the basis for those results seams to be down to unrest rather than coaching.

Unrest brought about by NB signing for Saints, their Captain leaving and pretty much every club having a good long look at Danny Brough.
Nathan Brown has elevated the Giants to playing with the top of the league, they has one really good year with Sharp, but nothing more notable than that, to not being out of the top 5 under brown, the old playoff places.

For me it seams that Huddersfield have got to the top of the tree, but staying there is a tougher job. When you are in 10th regularly, people are not looking to poach your players and coaches, now they have been in the top 5, 3 years running players are in demand and are going to be poached or tempted.

Saints had to ward off Warrington last year over TP, edmonson was offered better bucks to go play lower down the league. It's tough holding it together at the top and Huddersfield just don't seam to be able to do it and the club have cracked over these competing pressures.

If they lose Brough as well then I can't see them staying in the top half next year.

You have no idea.

All the players knew Nathan Brown was leaving at the beginining of the year. did that affect the team in the first 12 games,

Kevin Brown asked for a transfer at the start of the season al the players knew it. Did that affect the team in the first 12 games.

The players got annoyed because they were constantly made to play in positions in which they struggled.

Did 34 year old second rower Lee Gilmour feel happy playing at Prop and geting snmashed every week NO.

Did David Faiumu a 31 year old Hooker want to play prop and get smashed carrying the ball in at first reciever No.

Did Kevin Brown a lightweight stand off who is game but not the strongest tackler want to be Loose Forward No i dont think so.

Did Grix move to stand off when he had played well at Full back all the previous season and be happy i doubt it. When he is missing 6 tackles a match it is bound to affect his confidence.

Who sold Darrell Griffin and replaced him with Tony Tonks

all of these and many more baffling ones are the reasons the players got unhappy with NB because they knew it was wrong, it was not working but Brown stuck to it. The team kept getting beat and confidence was completely shot.

The players were unhappy

Re: Brown n out?? : Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:39 am  

Durham Giant wrote:

You have no idea.

All the players knew Nathan Brown was leaving at the beginining of the year. did that affect the team in the first 12 games,

Kevin Brown asked for a transfer at the start of the season al the players knew it. Did that affect the team in the first 12 games.

The players got annoyed because they were constantly made to play in positions in which they struggled.

Did 34 year old second rower Lee Gilmour feel happy playing at Prop and geting snmashed every week NO.

Did David Faiumu a 31 year old Hooker want to play prop and get smashed carrying the ball in at first reciever No.

Did Kevin Brown a lightweight stand off who is game but not the strongest tackler want to be Loose Forward No i dont think so.

Did Grix move to stand off when he had played well at Full back all the previous season and be happy i doubt it. When he is missing 6 tackles a match it is bound to affect his confidence.

Who sold Darrell Griffin and replaced him with Tony Tonks

all of these and many more baffling ones are the reasons the players got unhappy with NB because they knew it was wrong, it was not working but Brown stuck to it. The team kept getting beat and confidence was completely shot.

The players were unhappy

Sounds like a mess, hopefully hes learned his lessons Saying that Millward used to love tinkering and that didnt work out too bad for us

Re: Brown n out?? : Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:12 am  

No1 Saint wrote:

Sounds like a mess, hopefully hes learned his lessons Saying that Millward used to love tinkering and that didnt work out too bad for us

I agree, I don’t know the motives of a lot of what has gone on at the Hud, but Brown for most of the time has seemed to be on his game. He sometimes gives out an aura laidbackness rarely seen, or as my mate said when I said this in the pub, “No, he’s so laidback he’s more than horizontal, he’s prostate” no one laughed, and he won’t have it that it’s an old one. As for brown the coach at Saints, after the last few weeks, I not sure now, but I guess we’ll soon find out.
PS “No. 1 Saint” nice to read a RL comment (NO SARCASM INTENDED)

Re: Brown n out?? : Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:27 pm  

If Brown was going home I doubt there'd have been this sort of dip in form. By joining Saints (perhaps because it was the best offer he had) he's effectively gone back on his word with Huddersfield which broke the trust he had with those players. As soon as you don't feel you can trust your manager all sorts of horrible things start happening. Hudds players thought he was going home but he wasn't.

Re: Brown n out?? : Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:05 pm  

Albion wrote:

Hard to disagree with this:

I think it will be interesting to see how Paul Anderson goes...will he actually do any better than Brown? Anderson will probably get a grip on the dressing room, but will he be able to take them as far as Brown? I don't think so really. IMO Brown is seen as the obvious scapegoat at the Giants.

Brown seems to have taken Hudds as far as he can and seems to have lost the dressing room. Brown is still a very good coach and he doesn't become a 'bad' one overnight

Brown's coaching record;-

NRL coaching career: St George Illawarra 2003-2008 – 142 games (75 wins, 67 defeats)

No Trophies Won

Super League coaching career Huddersfield Giants 2009-2012 – 92 games (53 wins 1 draw 38 defeats)

No Trophies Won

The above facts prove Brown is certainly not a World Class coach, not even a particularly good one. Pretty mediocre if you ask me.

I would have been tempted to stick with Rush and Cunningham to be honest.

Also he was never under pressure at the Giants, after what happened to Simmons the pressure is gonna be on right from the start at Saints, he may not even make it thru the first season?

Re: Brown n out?? : Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:14 pm  

Gi4nts wrote:

Brown's coaching record;-

NRL coaching career: St George Illawarra 2003-2008 – 142 games (75 wins, 67 defeats)

No Trophies Won

Super League coaching career Huddersfield Giants 2009-2012 – 92 games (53 wins 1 draw 38 defeats)

No Trophies Won

The above facts prove Brown is certainly not a World Class coach, not even a particularly good one. Pretty mediocre if you ask me.

I would have been tempted to stick with Rush and Cunningham to be honest.

Also he was never under pressure at the Giants, after what happened to Simmons the pressure is gonna be on right from the start at Saints, he may not even make it thru the first season?

What was Tony smiths record like before he left you lot?

Re: Brown n out?? : Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:26 pm  

Gi4nts wrote:

Super League coaching career Huddersfield Giants 2009-2012 – 92 games (53 wins 1 draw 38 defeats)

No Trophies Won

The above facts prove Brown is certainly not a World Class coach, not even a particularly good one. Pretty mediocre if you ask me.

How do they prove that? Huddersfield were dreadful when he took over. They've made semi-finals and play-offs since then. This is with a handful of decent players many of which he developed himself.

He's a coach, not a miracle worker. Until he gets the proper resources nobody knows how good he is.

Re: Brown n out?? : Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:40 pm  

St pete wrote:

What was Tony smiths record like before he left you lot?

Re: Brown n out?? : Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:25 pm  

Smurf wrote:

How do they prove that? Huddersfield were dreadful when he took over. They've made semi-finals and play-offs since then. This is with a handful of decent players many of which he developed himself.

He's a coach, not a miracle worker. Until he gets the proper resources nobody knows how good he is.

I honestly think some of these hudds fans are deluded if they honestly think that there mediocre squad is good enough to win things!

In 15 years of super league, only saints, Wigan, Leeds and the bulls have won the grand final which shows just how hard it is for the "lesser" teams to win it.

Only saints, Leeds, Wigan, bulls, warrington and hull have won the challenge cup in the super league era, once again it shows the big teams have a monopoly.

The fact the giants was a bottom tier team when Brown took over and they have made a challenge cup final, challenge cup semi finals, grand final semis show just what a great job he's done.

I think these giants fans need to take a long look in the mirror and I don't mean all 2,000 of them.

Re: Brown n out?? : Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:35 pm  

St pete wrote:

I think these giants fans need to take a long look in the mirror and I mean all 2 dozen of them.

Almost got it right

I agree some of the desperate Brown bashing going on just makes them sound bitter.