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Re: MATTY SMITH : Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:37 pm  
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Not a bad attempt at trolling , the old ones are the best after all. The thing with Wigoon fans is , even when you were skint and homeless (I suppose Orrell counts as a home) you always maintained your arrogance and deluded view of the world.

"were"? That makes it sound like its a thing of the past, should have read "are skint and homeless"
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Re: MATTY SMITH : Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:56 pm  
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That 10 years of cheating your way to all those trophies was well worth your club now sleeping rough on the streets of Wigan, begging cap in hand to Latics for a cup of tea and a warm place to sleep every now and then, eh?


Cheating? Is that what you call going professional before the rest could?

Anyway, my point was simply that whatever your opinion is of/however you class what Wigan did in the era immediately before SL, it can hardly be dismissed as 'a little success'.
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Re: MATTY SMITH : Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:06 pm  
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Cheating? Is that what you call going professional before the rest could?

Anyway, my point was simply that whatever your opinion is of/however you class what Wigan did in the era immediately before SL, it can hardly be dismissed as 'a little success'.



The full time pro stuff wasnt cheating it just means what was achieved against part timers doesnt compare to the old Part time v Part time or Superleague (all full times pro's). It means something to Goon fans obviously but pretty much nobody else cares.

Wigoon did a fair bit of cheating with uncle Mo in charge though, read Chris Joynt's book for a great example
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Re: MATTY SMITH : Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:08 pm  
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Wigoon did a fair bit of cheating with uncle Mo in charge though, read Chris Joynt's book for a great example


Well said....
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Re: MATTY SMITH : Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:09 pm  
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Wigoon did a fair bit of cheating with uncle Mo in charge though, read Chris Joynt's book for a great example


There's no way I'm defending Maurice as squeaky clean :lol:

I'm all for bias towards your team, but that's taking it too far!
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Re: MATTY SMITH : Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:53 pm  
You do realise that Leeds went full time before Wigan (didn't do them much good!) don't you?

No fuss was made about Wigan going full time back in the day, because most leading clubs were more or less full time anyway by then, including St Helens.

I remember Ian Lucas giving up the antiques business, that got the headlines, there was no mention of Wigan "cheating" by being "professionals" playing "amateurs".
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Re: MATTY SMITH : Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:04 pm  
Deano G wrote:

most leading clubs were more or less full time anyway by then, including St Helens.




I think this is something Wigan fans just like to say to try to add some value to what you 'achieved' . Wigoon had a full time pro squad of players on very very good money (as was proven when the salary cap came in and you had average players on world class salaries), add to that all the money you put on tick to develop facilities etc and Wigoon was a full time pro club on the Rugby side if somewhat amateur on the finances.

Speak to some of the players around clubs like Saints during this period and its pretty clear they were semi pro at best with the odd full time player
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Re: MATTY SMITH : Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:30 pm  
whats all this got to do with Matty Smith ?
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Re: MATTY SMITH : Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:44 pm  
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Cheating? Is that what you call going professional before the rest could?

Anyway, my point was simply that whatever your opinion is of/however you class what Wigan did in the era immediately before SL, it can hardly be dismissed as 'a little success'.


For me, spending huge amounts of money that noone else has (and, as it turns out, you don't actually have either) to gain an unfair advantage in the competition for a decade might not be cheating per se, but it's not particularly far off. And yes, add in all of Uncle Mo's little "trick plays" and "cheating" starts to become as good a word as any.

I'm sure if you're a pie then that 8 on the trot still keeps you warm at night, but ultimately it really wasn't a particularly great achievement in the greater scheme of things all things considered. The fact that Saints on a fraction of the resources kicked your asses in '92/'93 for example ranks way above it in the annals of RL attainment.
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Re: MATTY SMITH : Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:06 pm  
centralparkforever wrote:
Phil Veivers has named Wigan and St Helens among the teams interested in him next season. The lad was on GMR last weekend and said he had not made his mind up. In other words his heart is saying St Helens but his head is saying Wigan.


Its getting desparate for us if we are thinking of signing Phil Veivers again.
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