Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 10:56 pm  

Saint Simon, I'm willing to try to make babies with you anytime.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 10:58 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Saint Simon, I'm willing to try to make babies with you anytime.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Tue May 15, 2012 7:31 am  

Saddened! wrote:

Saint Simon, I'm willing to try to make babies with you anytime.

Thats just disturbing

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Tue May 15, 2012 11:24 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

Whilst it's all fine to pull the trigger on players in a forum as we all know the law and finance will not allow it.

You can't terminate contracts mid flow without shelling out and if you did the law would take you to pieces.

You can terminate a player's career without terminating his contract. It's called - being dropped (indefinitely).

Drop him for long enough and chances are he'll come begging to agree (preferable) exit terms.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Tue May 15, 2012 11:34 am  

Mugwump wrote:

You can terminate a player's career without terminating his contract. It's called - being dropped (indefinitely).

Drop him for long enough and chances are he'll come begging to agree (preferable) exit terms.

only if he is young enough to get a contract elsewhere, otherwise he will stay put and take the money....lol

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Tue May 15, 2012 12:24 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

How can you say Wellens played well? What did he do well exactly? Is the fact that he didn't drop any balls enough? His contribution in an attacking sense is a major negative for us and he's never in the right place defensively either.

His defensive positioning has over the years, been second to none and it's still pretty damn good. He appears though to have lost half a yard of pace and his reactions have slowed down a tad. 3/4 years ago, Finch would never have stepped him like he did. Offensively, he still gets in the right position but again maybe speed is letting him down. Having said that, if Sts don't offer at least another year or some sort of coaching role, he'll be snapped up by some other team. Sts current standing just shows how much losing a player as good as the big red whinger can do to a side.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Tue May 15, 2012 12:31 pm  

Ovavoo wrote:

His defensive positioning has over the years, been second to none and it's still pretty damn good. He appears though to have lost half a yard of pace

Did he have half a yard of pace to lose to begin with?!

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Tue May 15, 2012 1:12 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

You can terminate a player's career without terminating his contract. It's called - being dropped (indefinitely).

Drop him for long enough and chances are he'll come begging to agree (preferable) exit terms.

That's a risky strategy when operating under the salary cap. Surely it would be better to try to get that player resource in the first team squad contributing positively rather than risking the unrest of the others by demonstrating a management ethic that is not entwined with the way in which we want the club to operate. If they're not good enough to get in the team then yes don't play them but dropping a player indefinitely in the hope that your actions will force the players hand rankles. You can have the strong management approach without behaving in such a way. No matter what our beliefs are players are still employees and should be afforded the level of respect that goes with working for a world class sporting organisation. After all word spreads and if we play hardball with players who have done nothing wrong, other than not perform to the levels we expect then that will carry stigma. I'm not against what you're saying but it's a gamble that can have long-term repercussions for our external recruitment.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Tue May 15, 2012 2:45 pm  

Deano G wrote:

Only Puletua and Roby would get into a first choice Wigan 17 on current form.

Oh FFS.... What is wrong with you anyway? Noone is arguing that many Saints players are massively underperforming and many have for a long time, while Wigan are all riding the crest of a wave - similar to the reversed Saints/Wigan situation immediately pre-Maggie with many of the same players in situ on both sides in fact. Would you have argued that every single one of Wigan's players were worse than every single Saint back then? Don't be so patently one-eyed and ridiculous.

Many/Most of Saints' current squad would outperform most of Wigan's given the same coaching and tactics. At the moment they're performing like a pile of cack because they aren't and haven't for nearly 4 years now. That does not make them bad players for the rest of eternity...

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Tue May 15, 2012 3:19 pm  

Ovavoo wrote:

He appears though to have lost half a yard of pace and his reactions have slowed down a tad. 3/4 years ago, Finch would never have stepped him like he did.

Whilst Wellens has been the second best FB in the SL era (behind Radlinski), he didnt have more than a yard of pace to begin with and 3/4 years ago a cr@ppy wigan centre with no knees skinned him and went the length of the field at the JJB