Re: Gary Wheeler/17 for Sunday? : Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:01 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Why is it rubbish? Wheeler isn't contributing enough to be worthy of a contract. He has played what 6 times this year? My bet with Blobby (?) that he wouldn't do 12 games is as safe as houses.

There comes a time when a club just has to look at a player's record and make a call on it.

Unless he turns it around and plays 20+ games next year he surely cannot be given a new deal. Personally I'd be looking at offloading him now.

We can't keep sticking with wheeler. He's a waste of salary on the cap. Let's get someone in who's going to play games.

Re: Gary Wheeler/17 for Sunday? : Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:29 pm  

St pete wrote:

We can't keep sticking with wheeler. He's a waste of salary on the cap. Let's get someone in who's going to play games.

I agree its frustrating for everyone, probably mostly for Gary himself, but i'm happy to give him at least next season to prove his body is up to it. He is still very young so his body will still be developing

Re: Gary Wheeler/17 for Sunday? : Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:30 pm  

There can be absolutely no chance he is being rested this week - he needs games not rests - therefore he must be injured again. Personally, if he was out of contract this year he would be released IMO. However, there can be no reliance on him in 2012 - we have to plan the team as if he isn't in the squad, then the odd game from him is a bonus. Very disappointing from a lad who is obviously very talented.

Re: Gary Wheeler/17 for Sunday? : Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:51 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

I agree its frustrating for everyone, probably mostly for Gary himself, but i'm happy to give him at least next season to prove his body is up to it. He is still very young so his body will still be developing

In what will be a very thin squad next year and our injury record we can't afford to risk him missing most of 2012 like he has this year.

His wage could have been used to bring ratchford from Salford.

Wheeler has good potential but you have to play to show that potential.

Re: Gary Wheeler/17 for Sunday? : Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:34 pm  

St pete wrote:

In what will be a very thin squad next year and our injury record we can't afford to risk him missing most of 2012 like he has this year.

His wage could have been used to bring ratchford from Salford.

Wheeler has good potential but you have to play to show that potential.

Really, would they be on equivalent wages?

In terms of dropping him or getting rid, and replace with who? I'd doubt he is on alot although you will know better than me Pete. If you gave me a list of players whom I would not keep, Wheeler would not be at the top of that list and considering that some players are due for retirement any time soon, ie Meli, Flannery. Just binning Wheeler makes no sense, unless there is a realistic prospect in mind, otherwise we are just thinning the squad out further.

also Wigan are due to lose Deacon and finch at some point, Warrington too will be looking for creative replacements. How gutted would we be if we carried Wheeler through his injury years to let him have a run of 5 or 6 years injury free at another club. We'd be calling the board fit to burn for letting him go.

We almost did that with TOmmy God and he was great when he sorted out his injuries.

Re: Gary Wheeler/17 for Sunday? : Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:19 pm  

Wheeler has torn his thigh during training on Monday, and will more than likely be out for the rest of the season.

Re: Gary Wheeler/17 for Sunday? : Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:00 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

Really, would they be on equivalent wages?

In terms of dropping him or getting rid, and replace with who? I'd doubt he is on alot although you will know better than me Pete. If you gave me a list of players whom I would not keep, Wheeler would not be at the top of that list and considering that some players are due for retirement any time soon, ie Meli, Flannery. Just binning Wheeler makes no sense, unless there is a realistic prospect in mind, otherwise we are just thinning the squad out further.

also Wigan are due to lose Deacon and finch at some point, Warrington too will be looking for creative replacements. How gutted would we be if we carried Wheeler through his injury years to let him have a run of 5 or 6 years injury free at another club. We'd be calling the board fit to burn for letting him go.

We almost did that with TOmmy God and he was great when he sorted out his injuries.

I agree that binning Wheeler makes no sense right now,next year however will be a make or break season for him i feel,if we cant get reliable game time out of him then at the end of next season it will be time to let him go.

Tommy was a cracking player theres no argument,but over a 10 year period his number of appearances is very low,he never ever played more than 30 games in a season and whilst a good player for us he played in a team of some true legends who could cover his absence.

We cant keep players in crucial positions who are not going to make enough appearances.

Re: Gary Wheeler/17 for Sunday? : Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:44 am  

I doubt wheeler would be on the equivalent wages as ratchford but it would certainly have used most of wheelers wage to try and sign him.

Let's be honest, with the players we have leaving we have enough cap space to signed ratchford but we don't have the ambition of Warrington.

Ratchford would have done our backline the wold of good as he can attack.

Re: Gary Wheeler/17 for Sunday? : Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:25 am  

brook40 wrote:

I agree that binning Wheeler makes no sense right now,next year however will be a make or break season for him i feel,if we cant get reliable game time out of him then at the end of next season it will be time to let him go.

Tommy was a cracking player theres no argument,but over a 10 year period his number of appearances is very low,he never ever played more than 30 games in a season and whilst a good player for us he played in a team of some true legends who could cover his absence.

We cant keep players in crucial positions who are not going to make enough appearances.

I agree at some point you have to cut your losses. But I fail to see how we could do it this year. Makinson and Gaskell have been rewarded with contracts as has megeniss. Wheeler has not been extended and neither has dixon or ashurst. So the club are hardly blind to the issue of injury and none performance. We have four half backs next year. And three the year after. Its simple really if Wheeler can get a run he will go. But there is no way we can bust his small contract this year or next. If he is a wonder boy next year and plays all year. Ill expect he'll get rewarded. I just hope those wanting him binnedstick to their guns.

Re: Gary Wheeler/17 for Sunday? : Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:50 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

I agree at some point you have to cut your losses. But I fail to see how we could do it this year. Makinson and Gaskell have been rewarded with contracts as has megeniss. Wheeler has not been extended and neither has dixon or ashurst. So the club are hardly blind to the issue of injury and none performance. We have four half backs next year. And three the year after. Its simple really if Wheeler can get a run he will go. But there is no way we can bust his small contract this year or next. If he is a wonder boy next year and plays all year. Ill expect he'll get rewarded. I just hope those wanting him binnedstick to their guns.

Didn't gaz sign new deal last year?