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Re: LMAO - Ade and the kings view on potter : Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:19 am  
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Potter wasn't that great, put so far to me Simmons isn't a whole lot better,
Those of us who tend to defend Potter aren't doing so because we think he was the bees knees, or because we rate him higher than other coaches we've had. We do so because in his tenure we didn't do badly, especially given the hand he was dealt, but he has acusations levelled at him (imo unfairly) that make him out to be the worst thing to happen to the club in years.
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Re: LMAO - Ade and the kings view on potter : Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:03 am  
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Those of us who tend to defend Potter aren't doing so because we think he was the bees knees, or because we rate him higher than other coaches we've had. We do so because in his tenure we didn't do badly, especially given the hand he was dealt, but he has acusations levelled at him (imo unfairly) that make him out to be the worst thing to happen to the club in years.


You should know by now that there are no grey areas amongst Saints fans. A player or a coach is either the greatest thing ever or absolutely poop. There is no in-between or good aspects and bad aspects.

I wish I could live in such a black and white world. It must be a very simple straight forward world to live in with no debate or dilemmas to consider. I'll bet you could live to be 110 in such a gradient free would.
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Re: LMAO - Ade and the kings view on potter : Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:03 am  
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You should know by now that there are no grey areas amongst Saints fans. A player or a coach is either the greatest thing ever or absolutely poop. There is no in-between or good aspects and bad aspects.

I wish I could live in such a black and white world. It must be a very simple straight forward world to live in with no debate or dilemmas to consider. I'll bet you could live to be 110 in such a gradient free would.



Your right in the real world there is no black and white. White goes grey over time and black eventually fades to grey as do some peoples memories.
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Re: LMAO - Ade and the kings view on potter : Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:34 am  
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I seem to remember that we couldn't get out of our own half in the first half of the 2002 grand final against Bradford and were outplayed for huge parts. Deacon kicked us to death in that game as well and we weren't starting our drives on the 10/20 metre line....we were there on our 3rd or 4th tackle at times yet we somehow found a way to win. What I'm trying to is that certain parts of our team are always going to perform at different levels but my opinion is that the whole team underperformed in that Grand Final. You are saying that we lost as a team because the pitch was wider and 3 of our 17 players couldn't get the ball back quickly enough. I agree that was certainly a factor in defeat but to suggest that the other 14 players didn't underperform is wrong.

Why did Leeds not blast us off the park in 2008 and 2009 when we had the same, slower back 3?

Long was not fit in 2007 which also had a major impact on the game. In 2008 and 2009 the same pattern eventually emerged, the lack of pace was not rectified.

The 2002 team was a better team.
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Re: LMAO - Ade and the kings view on potter : Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:32 am  
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You should know by now that there are no grey areas amongst Saints fans. A player or a coach is either the greatest thing ever or absolutely poop. There is no in-between or good aspects and bad aspects.


Some of us are grey. I'm a grey Saints fan :)
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Re: LMAO - Ade and the kings view on potter : Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:26 am  
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Re: LMAO - Ade and the kings view on potter : Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:58 am  
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Re: LMAO - Ade and the kings view on potter : Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:39 am  
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Re: LMAO - Ade and the kings view on potter : Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:40 am  
My own view re coaches is that you can tell what they bring to the team by the attitude of the players in DEFENCE.

As such i rate Anderson highly as he made us into a very tough nut to crack.

Similarly if you look at what Mcguire has done at Wigan and what Tony Smith has done with the teams he has coached you always get the BIG D.

When you have players of the quality that Saints do possess then its pretty easy for them to play attacking RL.

Where the coaching comes in is building the iron mentality of fighting for every inch.

I have not seen this from either Potter or Simmons teams.
Simmons teams in particular have been cruely exposed against the superior organisation of Wigan and Wire.
As a result we have found ourselves smashed off the park, before coming back from a late rally, as the opposition takes the foot off the pedal due to knowing they have our number.
Some Saints fans then have fallen for this thinking it shows we are in the games, but the reality is that its no different than when we play lower standard teams, get up a big lead and then end up winning a match 40-20 with most of our points being scored in the first half.
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Re: LMAO - Ade and the kings view on potter : Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:18 pm  
paulscunthorpe wrote:
I have no doubt ade speaks lowly of potter, don't forget potter preferred foster over Gardner at the end of last season, a move everyone on here would have agreed on
i dont think anyone on here would have dropped Gardner and put Lomax in at centre - a position he has never played before or since in his career - when it was obvious that Meli should be centre, with Gardner on the wing.
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