Re: Ryan Hoffman : Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:07 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

The aim should not be to touch the kicker; the aim is to either distract the kicker or intercept the ball. Hoffman was so late and so hard in to Wheeler, there looked to be no intention of going for the ball, but only the kicker. That surely is against the present ruling?

I've read on Redvee today that one poster who watched the match in the corporate area said the Wigan u20s guys came in at one time and claimed the plan was to 'take out' Wheeler. Could be garbage on all fronts, but who knows.

So now a defender can't be committed to making a tackle on a kicker?

The defender should have the right to tackle the kicker, if committed and he take the player out then it's just hard lines on the kicker IMO. The defender should be in his rights to make the tackle.

We can't just stand there and wait for him to kick it.

Re: Ryan Hoffman : Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:11 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

The aim should not be to touch the kicker; the aim is to either distract the kicker or intercept the ball. Hoffman was so late and so hard in to Wheeler, there looked to be no intention of going for the ball, but only the kicker. That surely is against the present ruling?

I've read on Redvee today that one poster who watched the match in the corporate area said the Wigan u20s guys came in at one time and claimed the plan was to 'take out' Wheeler. Could be garbage on all fronts, but who knows.

The " take out wheeler " is utter rubbish. I do beleive and I've experienced myself that teams have gone out to target certain players but IMO that tackle wasn't planned, had no intention to hurt him and wasn't told by any coaching staff at Wigan to do so.

This is looking even more like sour grapes now!

Re: Ryan Hoffman : Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:14 am  

St pete wrote:

The " take out wheeler " is utter rubbish. I do beleive and I've experienced myself that teams have gone out to target certain players but IMO that tackle wasn't planned, had no intention to hurt him and wasn't told by any coaching staff at Wigan to do so.

I didn't say he was. I was simply repeating what someone wrote on Redvee. Go on Redvee and tell them it's sour grapes!

You're defending Hoffman pretty strongly here for a Saints fan. He's taken out one of our best young players when he had no need to. I'm beginning to suspect you are a closet goon.

Re: Ryan Hoffman : Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:18 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

I didn't say he was. I was simply repeating what someone wrote on Redvee. Go on Redvee and tell them it's sour grapes!

You're defending Hoffman pretty strongly here for a Saints fan. He's taken out one of our best young players when he had no need to. I'm beginning to suspect you are a closet goon.

He should be "Committed"

Re: Ryan Hoffman : Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:20 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

I didn't say he was. I was simply repeating what someone wrote on Redvee. Go on Redvee and tell them it's sour grapes!

You're defending Hoffman pretty strongly here for a Saints fan. He's taken out one of our best young players when he had no need to. I'm beginning to suspect you are a closet goon.

I'd rather be dead than be a Wigan fan and have taken huge offence to that!

I call things how I see them even if it means at times it's against saints. I'm honest in what I say and write and won't make up lies just to favour saints.

I'll stress again just for you saintsfan, I've not watched the replay, have no plans to watch the replay and have only seen it live at the game.

Re: Ryan Hoffman : Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:21 am  

Benidorm John wrote:

He should be "Committed"

I don't see everything thru saints specs like certain people on here.

Re: Ryan Hoffman : Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:25 am  

St pete wrote:

I call things how I see them even if it means at times it's against saints. I'm honest in what I say and write and won't make up lies just to favour saints.

And nor do I. I'm calling it how I saw it, just like you. I'm making nothing up. And I don't care about neutrality because, when Saints play another team, I'm not a neutral! I'm a Saints fan! And I don't like to see one of our best young players needlessly taken out like that.

I'll stress again just for you saintsfan, I've not watched the replay, have no plans to watch the replay and have only seen it live at the game.

Well, if you want to form an accurate opinion on that kick, you need to watch the replay. I've watched it twice now (not for that tackle; just because I wanted to watch the match back). Hoffman was late, needlessly forceful and he's taken out a great young player who deserved a chance at no.6. Hoffman shoulder charged Wheeler at pace in the shoulder. Surprise, surprise, Wheeler's shoulder is now knackered.

Re: Ryan Hoffman : Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:36 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

And nor do I. I'm calling it how I saw it, just like you. I'm making nothing up. And I don't care about neutrality because, when Saints play another team, I'm not a neutral! I'm a Saints fan! And I don't like to see one of our best young players needlessly taken out like that.

Well, if you want to form an accurate opinion on that kick, you need to watch the replay. I've watched it twice now (not for that tackle; just because I wanted to watch the match back). Hoffman was late, needlessly forceful and he's taken out a great young player who deserved a chance at no.6. Hoffman shoulder charged Wheeler at pace in the shoulder. Surprise, surprise, Wheeler's shoulder is now knackered.

If it was late then why wasn't it penalised? Or for that matter why wasn't it put on report?

Re: Ryan Hoffman : Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:41 am  

Mini Rogue wrote:

If it was late then why wasn't it penalised? Or for that matter why wasn't it put on report?

Why wasn't the blatent forward pass called as a forward pass? It was still a forward pass even though it wasn't called. Even your coach thought so, and we all saw him think so! Just because our crap touchies/refs don't call something doesn't mean to say it didn't happen. Maybe the RFL will have something to say about it; maybe they won't. Time will tell.

Re: Ryan Hoffman : Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:34 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

And nor do I. I'm calling it how I saw it, just like you. I'm making nothing up. And I don't care about neutrality because, when Saints play another team, I'm not a neutral! I'm a Saints fan! And I don't like to see one of our best young players needlessly taken out like that.

Well, if you want to form an accurate opinion on that kick, you need to watch the replay. I've watched it twice now (not for that tackle; just because I wanted to watch the match back). Hoffman was late, needlessly forceful and he's taken out a great young player who deserved a chance at no.6. Hoffman shoulder charged Wheeler at pace in the shoulder. Surprise, surprise, Wheeler's shoulder is now knackered.

The tackle should not be judged harsh because it was on a young player.It was either late or not,the fact that it was on a youngster should not come into it.

I had more issues with O'loughlins high shots than that tackle.