Re: Surprise! Surprise! No changes ... : Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:09 pm  

McClennan wrote:

That's a bit harsh don't you think? It's not like the players haven't been trying.

So conceding over 30 points four times this season is trying is it? Not putting the kicker under pressure? Not scrambling on our own line? Not gang tackling players into touch or over the goal line? etc, etc. Just think how many times this season you have seen us that energetic in defence and then come back and tell me they have been trying.

A major indicator as to whether a team is trying is whether a team is bending the back in defence. We don't. Except in patches. Another indicator is how enthusiastic a team is, both in defence and in attack. We aren't. Except in patches.

I don't think I'm being harsh at all. I'm just writing as I find.

Re: Surprise! Surprise! No changes ... : Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:13 pm  

McClennan wrote:

That's a bit harsh don't you think? It's not like the players haven't been trying.

Up until last week, you couldn't fault the players effort. Magic weekend however, there was no effort whatsoever bar LMS and Clough. It was shambolic and I hope that's the last time we see those of effort levels.

Re: Surprise! Surprise! No changes ... : Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:51 am  

Blobbynator wrote:

Up until last week, you couldn't fault the players effort. Magic weekend however, there was no effort whatsoever bar LMS and Clough. It was shambolic and I hope that's the last time we see those of effort levels.

Did clough play at the magic weekend?

In all honesty clough will never be anything more than a ok squad player...he goes through the motions and has very little impact on any game.

Re: Surprise! Surprise! No changes ... : Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:23 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

So conceding over 30 points four times this season is trying is it? Not putting the kicker under pressure? Not scrambling on our own line? Not gang tackling players into touch or over the goal line? etc, etc. Just think how many times this season you have seen us that energetic in defence and then come back and tell me they have been trying.

A major indicator as to whether a team is trying is whether a team is bending the back in defence. We don't. Except in patches. Another indicator is how enthusiastic a team is, both in defence and in attack. We aren't. Except in patches.

I don't think I'm being harsh at all. I'm just writing as I find.

That's all coaching.

Re: Surprise! Surprise! No changes ... : Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:19 pm  

Ninja saint wrote:

Did clough play at the magic weekend?

In all honesty clough will never be anything more than a ok squad player...he goes through the motions and has very little impact on any game.

He is one of our best players, an absolute rock of a player that you should look to build a pack around.

Clough averages so far 106 metres a game.That is a total bettered only by Meli and Scarsbrook at Saints.
His tackle busts exceed that of any of the other front rowers at Saints with the exception of LMS
His missed tackles stats are 6 all season. Compared to 11 for Lafranchi or 16 for Scarsbrook. Soliola is leading this hall of shame with 23 by the way.
Excluding Roby he is the 3rd top metre making forward. Only 4 metres separates 1st from 3rd in this category. The top two being Scarsbrook and Lafranchi.
So far he hasnt conceeded a single penalty all season. This compares with 11 for Wilkin and 10 for Soliola.Who lead this hall of shame.

One thing to note from the penalties conceeded is that back rowers at saints top this unwanted stat. For me it indicates teams targeting Saints out wide. The second rowers know the backs are slow and will get exposed, so try to slow it down on the flanks. Looking at other teams the people conceeding penalties arent quite as concentrated on a single position, though front rowers figure heavily.

Re: Surprise! Surprise! No changes ... : Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:46 pm  

Clough should stay. Does all the hard work so others can (if they try) shine. Wouldn't be happy seeing him leave.

Re: Surprise! Surprise! No changes ... : Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:32 pm  

McClennan wrote:

That's all coaching.

Re: Surprise! Surprise! No changes ... : Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:58 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

:lol:

He's right.

Re: Surprise! Surprise! No changes ... : Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:00 pm  

Looking forward to listening to this one on the wireless tomorrow. Here's hoping Matty Russel has a cracker.

Re: Surprise! Surprise! No changes ... : Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:01 pm  

No1 Saint wrote:

He's right.

No he isn't.

We have been inconsistent in defence all season. Sometimes we defend really, really well. Other times we just don't bother and both can happen in the same game. If the problem was coaching then we would be poor defensively, consistently. But we are not. The problem is and has been a combination of the players we have and their attitude towards bending their backs.