Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sun May 13, 2012 10:01 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

Some amazing bury your head in the sand posts on here. The facts of the matter are James Roby is the best hooker in superleague but he makes your side one dimensional. He isn't one dimensional but the Saints side reliance on him is beyond belief! Wigan are laughing their paps off at the minute knowing if they close him down the game is won.

As for my original post about who'd get in a combined team if I had to name them like I say it's a Wigan 1-7 and in the pack Roby would get a start and Soliola and TP may scrape bench spots but that is literally it.

Things need to change starting with having a player who's miles better then Hohiha in Gaskell starting at 6! If you guys can't use him I'm sure we'd find use for him.

Exactly, you make the point a lot better than I did. Saints fans are that blinded though they cant see what is so obvious to everyone else.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sun May 13, 2012 10:05 am  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

Our players are of a generally higher natural standard and of a greater level of talent than yours.

You keep telling yourself that bud. After all else fails ignorance will see you through.

Meanwhile this inferior Wigan squad will continue on in the semi's and leading the SL table.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sun May 13, 2012 10:14 am  

Famous wrote:

Exactly, you make the point a lot better than I did. Saints fans are that blinded though they cant see what is so obvious to everyone else.

No; you said that Roby is one-dimensional as a player.

That poster particular poster makes a better logical argument than your laughable effort as he is correct: we are over-reliant on him, but that's because we have been badly coached into being such a 'plan A' team. There is so much more to Roby's game, but we have been and are being coached in a way to play to his biggest strength which is around the ruck.

That makes us badly coached rather than Roby being a 'one dimensional' player...that's how you put it right?

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sun May 13, 2012 10:15 am  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

Based on player ability/talent and not current form (which is all you'll be using to judge on naturally but which would be criminally unfair given our respective current coaching situations):

1. Tompkins
2. Richards*
3. Wheeler
4. Carmont*
5. Meli
6. Finch
7. Lomax (not a #7 but would need to be in my team somewhere and Finch would make him 10x more effective there)
8. La Frank
9. Roby
10. TP
11. Soliola
12. Hock
13. O'Loughlin
14. Mossop
15. Clough **
16. Wilkin
17. Hohaia ***

* Both look past their best, especially Richards, so you can have Charnley and Goulding instead if you want. Shenton should probably feature ahead of Goulding on the talent/ability scale, but has been so disappointing for Saints so far that I just can't justify it.

** Clough has admittedly been **** for 2 years but I'm still hopeful he'll reignite with a decent coach.

*** OK, OK I'm joking... Leuluai

I make that a 9-8 Saints win (10-7 if you still hold out any hope of Shenton coming good, 11-6 in the ever increasingly unlikely event that Perry isn't washed up now), no 3 or 4 man holding down and ground-writhing required.

And no McIlorum instead of Roby

You cant be serious , if you are I will have some of whatever you are on. Wheeler was awful yesterday and lost the ball on at least 3 occasions and Saints fans dont even want him in the team at centre, Goulding has been outstanding all season scored plenty of tries and his winger is SL's top try scorer. Its simply no contest. Meli, another player Saints fans slate left, right and centre instead of SL's leading try scorer, yeah right. Lomax, a half back who cant kick, organise and who is a turnstyle in defence instead of 4 Nations and World Cup winning Leuluai. As for the pack containing 4 out of the 6 from Saints, despite it being a pack that has been completely outplayed twice this season and full of players Saints fans want to get rid of because they are not good enough, you are simply talking out of your backside. Bar maybe Roby for McIlorum none of your forwards would get in our starting pack. Added to this on the bench you have these great impact players of Wilkin, Clough and that outstanding player in Hohia and instead decide to leave out the likes of Lima, Prescott, Hansen, Farrell etc out of the 17 entirely . Roby is the only player that would get in our 17 and you know it.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sun May 13, 2012 10:16 am  

LovesToSpooge wrote:

:shock:

You keep telling yourself that bud. After all else fails ignorance will see you through.

Meanwhile this inferior Wigan squad will continue on in the semi's and leading the SL table.

He is clearly delusional if he genuinely thinks that.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sun May 13, 2012 10:18 am  

Famous wrote:

You cant be serious

He is delusional, but so are you if you genuinely think that Roby wouldn't get into your starting team.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sun May 13, 2012 10:19 am  

Albion wrote:

No; you said that Roby is one-dimensional as a player.

That poster particular poster makes a better logical argument than your laughable effort as he is correct: we are over-reliant on him, but that's because we have been badly coached into being such a 'plan A' team. There is so much more to Roby's game, but we have been and are being coached in a way to play to his biggest strength which is around the ruck.

That makes us badly coached rather than Roby being a 'one dimensional' player...that's how you put it right?

You have quoted what I said, "and he often makes Saints one dimensional". It's fairly straigthfoward.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sun May 13, 2012 10:20 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

Some amazing bury your head in the sand posts on here. The facts of the matter are James Roby is the best hooker in superleague but he makes your side one dimensional. He isn't one dimensional but the Saints side reliance on him is beyond belief! Wigan are laughing their paps off at the minute knowing if they close him down the game is won.

To be fair to Simmons, this was something I think he was attempting to change. The scoots from dummy half had been reduced and the half backs were being involved a bit more.

Rush and KC have appeared to me to have gone back to the style of play that was successful under Millward and Anderson (they've said such things themselves), unfortunately for them the game has moved on since then. Whilst these tactics generally work against less able sides, against well organised defences like Wigan's they will almost always fail.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sun May 13, 2012 10:21 am  

The Eclipse wrote:

I think that although Mike Rush has done a great job with junior development over the years.

It is such a massive jump from junior development into Super League coaching, if it was so easy we would not need one Aussie coach in Super League, it is the same with ex players, all feel they can do the job and want to stay in the game but the very successful ones are few and far between! I feel both Rush & Cunningham are completely out of their depth and perhaps it was wrong to ask especially so early in the year, it is going to seem a long season.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sun May 13, 2012 10:25 am  

Albion wrote:

No; you said that Roby is one-dimensional as a player.

That poster particular poster makes a better logical argument than your laughable effort as he is correct: we are over-reliant on him, but that's because we have been badly coached into being such a 'plan A' team. There is so much more to Roby's game, but we have been and are being coached in a way to play to his biggest strength which is around the ruck.

That makes us badly coached rather than Roby being a 'one dimensional' player...that's how you put it right?

You've been badly coached by Simmons I believe that. But it's now what 8 weeks since Rush and the balloning in size KC tuck over, have you seen anything change? It's all two obvious to us rugby supporting non experts that Saints aren't right. However one would think that coaching supremo's Rush and KC would have begun to undo the work of Royce and implement a game plan that can make the most of what Saints have. I'll presume you see Saints play pretty much every week, has there been a change? I wouldn't include the Leeds and Wire games in that answer if were I you, as those performances were on the back of new coach syndrome IMO.