Re: Royce Out ! : Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:33 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Getting Royce out is a start and is the only option now if any pride is to be salvaged from this season, but the problems at the club go deeper and higher.

McManus has done a fantastic job in keeping the club afloat financially and getting the new stadium built. BUT, he's also overseen the complete destruction of the coaching, player development and squad development side of things. People go on about our fabulous youth system and how wonderful it is. But since Jammer how many genuinely good players have we produced? Eastmond is the most talented and he's already a distant memory. Lomax is a possibility if he finds a settled position, but none of the others are up to it. We've not produced a single decent forward since Jammer.

The choice of coach has been a massive problem for the club as well. The last two appointments have seen uncharismatic coaches with no motivational qualities or tactical ability. They are both assistant coaches who would not get head coach roles in the NRL. But despite the glaring failings both coaches have/had, I actually feel sorry for them. What can any coach do with that playing squad? I've been banging on about it on here for years now, I've been mocked and derided for it, but you are all seeing the fruition of the poor recruitment and retention decisions and you can now see I was right. There is a lot of hysteria on here about sacking Royce (Which I'm all for, as hopefully it can inspire the players and turn the club in the right direction from a morale perspective) but the cracks have been showing for years, they've just been covered by the likes of James Graham and James Roby.

We have about the 8th or 9th best squad in Super League currently. We are about to sack/not renew the contract of another poor coach. Our recruitment is pathetic and has been for years.

McManus is regarded as a legend and the saviour of the club by many, but he's got as much wrong in his time at Saints and there will be no trophies won at the new stadium for a good few years.

We've been singing from the same song sheet and I've also took the stick but I've also seen this coming for years.

The lack of recruitment and not replacing good players with the best quality players we can afford for years was a problem and we did sign players on they ain't been good enough.

I've said it on a few threads over past few weeks that Simmons recruitment for this year will have massive impact for years to come.

We all know we need at least one prop, halfback and a centre but how the hell do we get them? Our quota spots are taken up for next few years so we can't look overseas. We ain't got the cash to go out and buy players, so unless the is good quality English players off contract then we in dire $hit!

Also, we have to find away to replace Meli and flannery next year who are classed as none qouta players.

It's a mess, it really is!

Re: Royce Out ! : Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:34 pm  

I've no idea what advantage sacking Royce would have. He isn't the one making ridiculous errors or giving away penalties, both of which are a big part of what is killing us just now.

What should be done is that our forwards and senior players should be sent to the Chairman to explain their lack of willingness to work hard, then they should be fined, tarred and feathered and then stuck in the stocks for us to throw pies at because frankly, they are another big part of our problem.

Without go forward our halves and backs can do precious little but even so our backs keep on trying to do the work that the forwards are too bone idle to do.

Re: Royce Out ! : Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:34 pm  

The real problem with Saints is that they set the benchmark so high that when things start to go a bit wrong they have alot further to fall. I know you lads are disappointed with your start to the season, but that is all it is. A start. This is a long competition, then playoffs, and there's the Challenge Cup too.

All Saints need is that one win to build on. O.K. I admit your next few weeks are tough, but if the side stick it out & give their all (& play some percentage rugby) that win WILL come. Then another. And then the corner is turned.

Remember, most fans would give their eye teeth to have been able to watch the side you've watched week after week in the not so distant past. And to have got the trophies too.

Re: Royce Out ! : Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:35 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Potter did exactly the same Pete.

He did, I've nothing against this if that's how they do things and if it works. I was just commenting on a post who mentioned this.

I'd prefer the head coach to do the talking myself but if it works then so be it.

Re: Royce Out ! : Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:38 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

I've no idea what advantage sacking Royce would have. He isn't the one making ridiculous errors or giving away penalties, both of which are a big part of what is killing us just now.

What should be done is that our forwards and senior players should be sent to the Chairman to explain their lack of willingness to work hard, then they should be fined, tarred and feathered and then stuck in the stocks for us to throw pies at because frankly, they are another big part of our problem.

Without go forward our halves and backs can do precious little but even so our backs keep on trying to do the work that the forwards are too bone idle to do.

I agree, the players should shoulder the blame but when a team is playing like we are then the the coach takes the ultimate blame.

Sometimes things just don't work out and the need for change is required and IMO the only way we can rescue thus season is by chance.

We can't exactly sack the players so as in all sports it's the coach that makes way.

Re: Royce Out ! : Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:39 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

I've no idea what advantage sacking Royce would have. He isn't the one making ridiculous errors or giving away penalties, both of which are a big part of what is killing us just now.

What should be done is that our forwards and senior players should be sent to the Chairman to explain their lack of willingness to work hard, then they should be fined, tarred and feathered and then stuck in the stocks for us to throw pies at because frankly, they are another big part of our problem.

Without go forward our halves and backs can do precious little but even so our backs keep on trying to do the work that the forwards are too bone idle to do.

The bulk of the issues stem from the coach though. The team look badly coached, badly prepared and barely motivated. The signings he has made don't cover the areas we really need and his constant chopping and changing of players and the positions they inhabit is also causing - IMHO - confusing, panic and stress, which is leading to a lack of confidence and could potentially stunt the development of the likes of Foster, Makinson, Lomax and the T-100 exo-skeleton.

We have a good enough squad, with enough talent and experience to be performing much better than we currently are. The blame, is squarely on the coaching team, as this club looks about as far from prepared as I have ever seen.

Re: Royce Out ! : Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:40 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

I've no idea what advantage sacking Royce would have. He isn't the one making ridiculous errors or giving away penalties, both of which are a big part of what is killing us just now.

What should be done is that our forwards and senior players should be sent to the Chairman to explain their lack of willingness to work hard, then they should be fined, tarred and feathered and then stuck in the stocks for us to throw pies at because frankly, they are another big part of our problem.

Without go forward our halves and backs can do precious little but even so our backs keep on trying to do the work that the forwards are too bone idle to do.

We still had plenty of time and territory tonight. But when this team are in the opposition's 20, they aren't under any pressure at all. We've got no moves at all and that is, surely, the fault of the coaching staff? I've skipped through the game on Sky+ and our 'red zone' play is just awful. Hohaia making nothing runs and wasting tackles, balls needlessly and half heartedly spread wide with no intent or speed, nothing kicks with no one in the line aware of the planned move. A decent coach could sort those things out and give us direction and a game plan.

Re: Royce Out ! : Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:41 pm  

Carlos Alberto wrote:

The bulk of the issues stem from the coach though. The team look badly coached, badly prepared and barely motivated. The signings he has made don't cover the areas we really need and his constant chopping and changing of players and the positions they inhabit is also causing - IMHO - confusing, panic and stress, which is leading to a lack of confidence and could potentially stunt the development of the likes of Foster, Makinson, Lomax and the T-100 exo-skeleton.

We have a good enough squad, with enough talent and experience to be performing much better than we currently are. The blame, is squarely on the coaching team, as this club looks about as far from prepared as I have ever seen.

again

Re: Royce Out ! : Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:42 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

We still had plenty of time and territory tonight. But when this team are in the opposition's 20, they aren't under any pressure at all. We've got no moves at all and that is, surely, the fault of the coaching staff? I've skipped through the game on Sky+ and our 'red zone' play is just awful. Hohaia making nothing runs and wasting tackles, balls needlessly and half heartedly spread wide with no intent or speed, nothing kicks with no one in the line aware of the planned move. A decent coach could sort those things out and give us direction and a game plan.

We do look a poorly coached team and we did last year.

Re: Royce Out ! : Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:42 pm  

Your forwards seemed to start well tonight, they were well on top and making some good meters early on. They then seemed to fade, not sure is this was fatigue or just laziness.