FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  
 Current LIVE TV Match : Swinton Lions - Hunslet LIVE ON THESPORTSMAN.COM
WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Salary cap amendment
::[url=//saints.org.uk](Website)[/url]
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman32344
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 17 200222 years169th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
11th Oct 24 10:029th Oct 24 22:49LINK
Milestone Posts
30000
40000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS

For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.

For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.

Wigan had eight in a row
Saints have five in a row

Re: Salary cap amendment : Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:12 am  
Saddened! wrote:
Conflict of interests perhaps, given they are also a commercial partner of Wigan?


JJB were also once a sponsor of Superleague and it wasn't a problem then, in fact I think Saints actually won it.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member29212No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 10 200321 years110th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
11th Oct 24 08:3512th Sep 24 14:08LINK
Milestone Posts
25000
30000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Warrington

Re: Salary cap amendment : Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:17 am  
Rogues Gallery wrote:
JJB were also once a sponsor of Superleague and it wasn't a problem then, in fact I think Saints actually won it.


You seem to have your nose close to the ground. Have you heard any specifics about the cap changes? Are they in fact cap changes or just Wigan being allowed an exemption to keep Tomkins in the sport? Will the other clubs get the benefits as well?
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman32344
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 17 200222 years169th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
11th Oct 24 10:029th Oct 24 22:49LINK
Milestone Posts
30000
40000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS

For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.

For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.

Wigan had eight in a row
Saints have five in a row

Re: Salary cap amendment : Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:37 am  
Saddened! wrote:
You seem to have your nose close to the ground. Have you heard any specifics about the cap changes? Are they in fact cap changes or just Wigan being allowed an exemption to keep Tomkins in the sport? Will the other clubs get the benefits as well?


I've not heard anything more than yourselves but I wasn't shocked by it. I would like to hear the official side from the RFL which is why I posted the link to their Operational Rules yesterday and am hoping that they will soon be updated to show any changes.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach2794No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 16 200520 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
21st Apr 16 22:4011th Jun 15 12:29LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Back In Black
Signature
I READ THE AUP BUT PREFERRED THE MOVIE

Re: Salary cap amendment : Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:13 pm  
Pemps wrote:
As I said earlier in this thread, the timing could have been much earlier than that. We've lost Robinson (some time ago), Farrell , Ashton & Thornley in recent history. This rule has had to come in at some point but most peoples problem seems to be it benefitted Wigan. If this rule had been suggested by Saints when Eastmond was on the move, then people would have complained that it didn't help Ashton. Unfortunately at some point something has changed. Wigan have suggested it, The RFL hadn't though of it but liked the idea and it has to be cleared with other clubs before it can be brought in. It has been brought in so clearly the clubs think it's a worthwhile route to take.


I understand your point, and agree with the rule change (subject to it being clarified; the devil is often in the detail).

It would just make more sense, and be infinitely more fair, for it to be 'with effect from the 2012 season', for example. Changing the rules midway means that within the same season, some clubs have lost their star players without having the chance to offer them further incentive to stay while others get to benefit from the rule change and effectively giving them a larger cap to play with for the forthcoming season.
moljol 
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member173No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 16 200322 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th Dec 18 16:046th Oct 18 00:51LINK
Milestone Posts
100
200
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Salary cap amendment : Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:07 pm  
Cragganmore Kid wrote:
I understand your point, and agree with the rule change (subject to it being clarified; the devil is often in the detail).

It would just make more sense, and be infinitely more fair, for it to be 'with effect from the 2012 season', for example. Changing the rules midway means that within the same season, some clubs have lost their star players without having the chance to offer them further incentive to stay while others get to benefit from the rule change and effectively giving them a larger cap to play with for the forthcoming season.



Given that the Salary Cap year runs from 1 December - 30 November, the change is being implemented 'with effect from the 2012 season'.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member29212No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 10 200321 years110th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
11th Oct 24 08:3512th Sep 24 14:08LINK
Milestone Posts
25000
30000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Warrington

Re: Salary cap amendment : Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:26 pm  
moljol wrote:
Given that the Salary Cap year runs from 1 December - 30 November, the change is being implemented 'with effect from the 2012 season'.


So technically Wigan are in breach of the salary cap? I suggest a point deduction for every pound over the cap they are. At 100,000 points, I reckon thats about 2,000 years before Wigan earn a competition point again.
moljol 
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member173No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 16 200322 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th Dec 18 16:046th Oct 18 00:51LINK
Milestone Posts
100
200
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Salary cap amendment : Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:33 pm  
Saddened! wrote:
So technically Wigan are in breach of the salary cap? I suggest a point deduction for every pound over the cap they are. At 100,000 points, I reckon thats about 2,000 years before Wigan earn a competition point again.


Seems reasonable.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star1343No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 26 201014 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
14th Oct 14 19:2514th Oct 14 19:24LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Salary cap amendment : Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:33 pm  
Saddened! wrote:
It depends what happens now. If it's a one off for Wigan to keep Tomkins in the sport I don't agree with it at all. If it's something the other clubs have voted in favour of and have been consulted on, then we can't really complain too much.

I suspect however that rather than the other clubs announcing how they'll benefit from the change and what they will do with it, that it will just go quiet. Wigan will benefit but no one else will and they'll spend £100k more than anyone else, which is how they have always wanted it to be.

What annoys me though is Leneghan's comments today about how Wigan now have enough room for a £100,000+ NRL centre. Although he said they don't want one, you get the feeling that's only because there are no decent player available due to the timing of it.

A salary cap ammendment that enables British young players to stay in the sport is good, but it shouldn't be a loophole that enables clubs to add further overseas players.


Exactly - as it stands it is a rule change specifically to allow Wigan to cheat and gain an unfair advantage once again. Even if the rule is applied globally and other clubs do eventually also benefit from it, there are only 3 or 4 clubs in the entire league in a strong enough financial position to be able to use it, as for every other club that is losing tonnes of money each and every year the old cap is too high for them to be able to afford already. Every non-"Big 4" club will now be faced with the prospect of either eternal mid-table mediocrity, or bankrupting themselves trying to keep up, exactly as per the '80s/'90s Wigan "glory years". It can serve no purpose but to give an unfair advantage to an elite few clubs and utterly annihilates the whole point of having a cap in the first place.

The simple fact is British RL can simply not compete with RU or the NRL for wages. Not by a long, long way. This move will do and can do nothing to change that until another 10 million a year in sponsorship magically appears for the league from somewhere. We all have to face up to the simple financial facts - British RL will only survive in the longer term at an inexorably lower talent level than it does currently and there's bugger all that any non-billionaire can do about it. Tomkins will still end up in RU or the NRL in a few seasons' time. All this does is make an already preposterous, random and deeply unfair league much, much less fair still.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member29212No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 10 200321 years110th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
11th Oct 24 08:3512th Sep 24 14:08LINK
Milestone Posts
25000
30000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Warrington

Re: Salary cap amendment : Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:44 pm  
Some of Ian Leneghan's comments this week suggest Wigan are in the process of having the salary cap scrapped altogether, or are threatening to do so. His comment about it being his belief that he can offer any player a better deal than any club in either code is particularly mysterious as some players in French RU have been given deals worth a third of the SL salary cap. Especially as Tomkins has taken this allowance already.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star1343No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 26 201014 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
14th Oct 14 19:2514th Oct 14 19:24LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Salary cap amendment : Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:52 pm  
Saddened! wrote:
Some of Ian Leneghan's comments this week suggest Wigan are in the process of having the salary cap scrapped altogether, or are threatening to do so. His comment about it being his belief that he can offer any player a better deal than any club in either code is particularly mysterious as some players in French RU have been given deals worth a third of the SL salary cap. Especially as Tomkins has taken this allowance already.


If the salary cap is scrapped then British RL is dead. Simple. I for one will not enter another RL ground if it ever happens - I don't see what would be the point, frankly. If Wigan or anyone else are that determined to make a mockery of the sport and cheat and buy their way to meaningless trophy wins in this way then let them sod off to RU and do it there and leave those of us who actually love the sport instead to continue enjoying it. B******s....
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 38 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to St. Helens


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Transfer Talk V5
LeedsLurch
109
2m
Championship Play Off Final
FIL
19
8m
Play-off Semi Final Toulouse A
Bully_Boxer
38
11m
Planning for next season
Septimius Se
132
18m
Film game
Boss Hog
4320
31m
Hull FC ladies
Hessle Roade
6
43m
TV Games - Not Hull
B0NES
3030
49m
2024 Squad Latest Update
Jimmy 4 Brad
28
55m
Play-off semi-final
FIL
88
Recent
FRENCH
cadoo
45
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
17s
IN 2025 Jake Connor - Expires 2026
leeds owl
23
20s
TV Games - Not Hull
B0NES
3030
21s
Play-off semi-final
FIL
88
22s
Harry Smith
Jason65
11
26s
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
leeds owl
2442
39s
Comparison with Wigan 17
ratticusfinc
14
44s
Grand Final
matt_wire
5
47s
Recruitment rumours and links
Wires71
3319
1m
Film game
Boss Hog
4320
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40232
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Trinity Into Play Off Final After Battle With York
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Thompson
cadoo
8
TODAY
Comparison with Wigan 17
ratticusfinc
14
TODAY
Crowd Funding
the-bearded-
4
TODAY
Wigan v Wire in Vegas
karetaker
3
TODAY
Twix wrappers
[Gareth]
3
TODAY
Burgess
NickyKiss
12
TODAY
5 hours
Cruncher
5
TODAY
Harry Smith
Jason65
11
TODAY
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champions Again in 2024
rollin thund
2
TODAY
New signings
Fartown58
4
TODAY
OTish betting on the championship
Dutch Bull
3
TODAY
Championship Promotion Final
GeoffRoebuck
1
TODAY
Hull Kingston Rovers
LeythIg
2
TODAY
Wakefield Trinity Hear the Roar
Trinity_lurc
7
TODAY
SL Grand Final
Eastern Wild
9
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos documentary
christopher
1
TODAY
Grand Final
matt_wire
5
TODAY
Terrace wear
Barstool Pre
4
TODAY
OT Rohan Smith -
Trebor1
3
TODAY
Alfie johnson CONFIRMED 2 year deal
Smiffy27
16
TODAY
Brian Lockwood RIP
1315trinity
6
TODAY
Grand Final Squad
NickyKiss
16
TODAY
Kit for Saturday
Pie Eyed
8
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
176
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
209
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
702
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
852
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
605
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
727
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
753
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
1128
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
1205
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1566
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1707
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1506
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1859
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1677
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
1914
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Sun 13th Oct
CH
19:30
Swinton-Hunslet
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 13th Oct
CH30 Wakefield22-13York
CH 30 Toulouse21-20Bradford
Sat 12th Oct
SL 30 Hull KR2-9Wigan
Sun 6th Oct
L1 26 Keighley6-20Hunslet
CH 29 Bradford25-12Featherstone
WSL2024 16 York V18-8St.HelensW
NRL 31 Melbourne6-14Penrith
Sat 5th Oct
CH 29 York27-10Widnes
SL 29 Wigan38-0Leigh
Fri 4th Oct
SL 29 Hull KR10-8Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Swinton 27 474 670 -196 18
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 0 0 0 0 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Transfer Talk V5
LeedsLurch
109
2m
Championship Play Off Final
FIL
19
8m
Play-off Semi Final Toulouse A
Bully_Boxer
38
11m
Planning for next season
Septimius Se
132
18m
Film game
Boss Hog
4320
31m
Hull FC ladies
Hessle Roade
6
43m
TV Games - Not Hull
B0NES
3030
49m
2024 Squad Latest Update
Jimmy 4 Brad
28
55m
Play-off semi-final
FIL
88
Recent
FRENCH
cadoo
45
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
17s
IN 2025 Jake Connor - Expires 2026
leeds owl
23
20s
TV Games - Not Hull
B0NES
3030
21s
Play-off semi-final
FIL
88
22s
Harry Smith
Jason65
11
26s
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
leeds owl
2442
39s
Comparison with Wigan 17
ratticusfinc
14
44s
Grand Final
matt_wire
5
47s
Recruitment rumours and links
Wires71
3319
1m
Film game
Boss Hog
4320
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40232
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Trinity Into Play Off Final After Battle With York
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Thompson
cadoo
8
TODAY
Comparison with Wigan 17
ratticusfinc
14
TODAY
Crowd Funding
the-bearded-
4
TODAY
Wigan v Wire in Vegas
karetaker
3
TODAY
Twix wrappers
[Gareth]
3
TODAY
Burgess
NickyKiss
12
TODAY
5 hours
Cruncher
5
TODAY
Harry Smith
Jason65
11
TODAY
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champions Again in 2024
rollin thund
2
TODAY
New signings
Fartown58
4
TODAY
OTish betting on the championship
Dutch Bull
3
TODAY
Championship Promotion Final
GeoffRoebuck
1
TODAY
Hull Kingston Rovers
LeythIg
2
TODAY
Wakefield Trinity Hear the Roar
Trinity_lurc
7
TODAY
SL Grand Final
Eastern Wild
9
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos documentary
christopher
1
TODAY
Grand Final
matt_wire
5
TODAY
Terrace wear
Barstool Pre
4
TODAY
OT Rohan Smith -
Trebor1
3
TODAY
Alfie johnson CONFIRMED 2 year deal
Smiffy27
16
TODAY
Brian Lockwood RIP
1315trinity
6
TODAY
Grand Final Squad
NickyKiss
16
TODAY
Kit for Saturday
Pie Eyed
8
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
176
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
209
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
702
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
852
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
605
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
727
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
753
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
1128
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
1205
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1566
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1707
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1506
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1859
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1677
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
1914


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!