Re: I've said it before and I'll say it again..... : Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:29 pm  

SecondRowSaint wrote:

So you're saying we need 9 new players? Why dont we just get a full new team...

Are you saying you don't ?

I didn't say 9 new players anyway, i said 2 new centres, 1 winger with genuine X factor, a scrum half, 1 more prop to replace the big hole that James Graham will leave, a second rower in the mould of Lee Gilmour thats a dangerous runner with pace and a loose forward. A new hooker to either be an impact hooker or a starting hooker then use Roby as the impact.

I make that 8, so you don't reckon you need to make changes to the positions above that ive mentioned ? Leave it as it is then, that will be one less threat for silverware for a few years.

Re: I've said it before and I'll say it again..... : Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:37 pm  

SecondRowSaint wrote:

So you're saying we need 9 new players? Why dont we just get a full new team...

We certainly don't need 9 players but I do think we need a good attacking centre that has ability to beat a man and a classy clever attacking halfback ike rangi chase.

We don't have the goto players in the backs.

Re: I've said it before and I'll say it again..... : Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:49 pm  

Rob Wire wrote:

Are you saying you don't ?

I didn't say 9 new players anyway, i said 2 new centres, 1 winger with genuine X factor, a scrum half, 1 more prop to replace the big hole that James Graham will leave, a second rower in the mould of Lee Gilmour thats a dangerous runner with pace and a loose forward. A new hooker to either be an impact hooker or a starting hooker then use Roby as the impact.

I make that 8, so you don't reckon you need to make changes to the positions above that ive mentioned ? Leave it as it is then, that will be one less threat for silverware for a few years.

You also said a fullback that makes 9

Re: I've said it before and I'll say it again..... : Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:57 pm  

Saints_fan_6 wrote:

You also said a fullback that makes 9

Thats talking as it stands today 07/08/2011 which is why i also said after in brackets "(need to see how Hohaia goes) which means see how well he does first before saying you need a fullback".

Re: I've said it before and I'll say it again..... : Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:07 pm  

Ahh I get you!

Re: I've said it before and I'll say it again..... : Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:10 pm  

Rob Wire wrote:

Are you saying you don't ?

I didn't say 9 new players anyway, i said 2 new centres, 1 winger with genuine X factor, a scrum half, 1 more prop to replace the big hole that James Graham will leave, a second rower in the mould of Lee Gilmour thats a dangerous runner with pace and a loose forward. A new hooker to either be an impact hooker or a starting hooker then use Roby as the impact.

I make that 8, so you don't reckon you need to make changes to the positions above that ive mentioned ? Leave it as it is then, that will be one less threat for silverware for a few years.

I'm not to sure what we need. I want to know what Royce is going to next season and whether we are going to sign anyone else.

At the moment I'd say we need to replace Wellens, but that may be with Hohaia next season, despite Royce saying he'll be 7. I can't see it happening though. We need a centre better than Meli, but who could we actually sign at the moment? The only thing we could do is wish for Wheeler to come back and work wonders for us, but when is he actually back? I think our wingers are fine and just need time to play and fill out more. We won't know if we need another prop until we play without Graham. We have Laffranchi coming in but next season we should see Carl Forster and maybe Jordan Hand. In regards to needing another 2nd rower like Gilmour, I feel we have enough second rowers, why sign another. It just adds up on the cap for more players that will get less time. The loose forward is fine I feel. Royce has played with Puletua and Wilkin at loose this year. We don't know if he will go for a ball handling loose or a prop type loose.

Re: I've said it before and I'll say it again..... : Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:18 pm  

. Recall that Jonathon Davies played plenty of games at fullback for Widnes when he first signed which allowed him to do the same, so perhaps not such a new idea.

Fair point but JD could play anywhere from 1-7 he was that good. He played in a widnes backline with players who had the x factor too unlike our back line. Let compare ours to the one in which Davies played in.

1- A Tait v P Wellens
2- A Currier v T Makinson
3- J Davies v M Shenton
4- D Wright v F Meli
5- M Offiah v J Foster
6- T Myler v L Pryce
7- D Hulme v J Lomax

I'm not saying that our backs are rubbish but we do lack that little bit of class which could be rectified as follows IMHO

1- Lomax
2- broughton ( or another winger who can beat a man on the ouside)
3- shenton ( having a new winger might see more ball to show class)
4- meli
5- foster (proven combo with meli now 2 flanks that offer a threat)
6- pryce
7- hohoia

Back now have pace strength and skill with pryce as conductor. Teams would be far more worried by that backline. Also have makinson wheeler and Gaskell fighting for a space on bench as wello would be my bench back to start with for his experience / defense in tight games.


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Re: I've said it before and I'll say it again..... : Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:18 pm  

Gary wheeler is back in full training and is available for selection this week.

Re: I've said it before and I'll say it again..... : Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:55 pm  

St pete wrote:

Gary wheeler is back in full training and is available for selection this week.

i went watching the 20s yesterday before the wigan game and wheeler look a couple of weeks off the first team looked very slow playing in the centres the in the halfs second half

Re: I've said it before and I'll say it again..... : Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:09 pm  

1984saints wrote:

i went watching the 20s yesterday before the wigan game and wheeler look a couple of weeks off the first team looked very slow playing in the centres the in the halfs second half

Like I said, he's back in full training and available for selection. It's up to Royce if he thinks wheeler is fit enough or not.