Re: Stadium Site pictures : Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:51 am  

The Chair Maker wrote:

Salford havent even got planning permission to build a stadium yet.

All they are doing is moving mud on a field. This is to give fools (eg the RFL) the impression of a stadium being built.

Outline planning permission has been granted, I have no doubts with Piel Holdings, look at the job they did on The Trafford Centre! are you just trying to be gloomy about another rugby league club for the sake of it?

Re: Stadium Site pictures : Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:59 pm  

jaybs wrote:

Outline planning permission has been granted, I have no doubts with Piel Holdings, look at the job they did on The Trafford Centre! are you just trying to be gloomy about another rugby league club for the sake of it?

Outline is not full planning permission.

They have to go through the full bureaucratic process and fulfill any preconditions the council set before construction commences.

Hence Salford can look forward to having to do surveys for Foxes dens and Badger sets and birds nests etc.
In addition they need to submit acceptable traffic surveys and travel plans.

This all takes time, as has been shown by the slow progress at Saints.

Hence why Salford are talking about a 2012 completion date.

Re: Stadium Site pictures : Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:26 pm  

The Chair Maker wrote:

Outline is not full planning permission.

They have to go through the full bureaucratic process and fulfill any preconditions the council set before construction commences.

Hence Salford can look forward to having to do surveys for Foxes dens and Badger sets and birds nests etc.
In addition they need to submit acceptable traffic surveys and travel plans.

This all takes time, as has been shown by the slow progress at Saints.

Hence why Salford are talking about a 2012 completion date.

Having a daily view of the works underway at Salford's ground then absolutely guaranteed that they will not be doing any further surveys for newts etc. The Site is cleared and before those works go ahead the surveys have to be done.

If you have outline planning you will just make a discharge of conditions submission to fulfil planning requirements.

Re: Stadium Site pictures : Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:29 pm  

Paul Youane wrote:

Having a daily view of the works underway at Salford's ground then absolutely guaranteed that they will not be doing any further surveys for newts etc. The Site is cleared and before those works go ahead the surveys have to be done.

If you have outline planning you will just make a discharge of conditions submission to fulfil planning requirements.

Sorry but that isn't true. Outline planning only approves in principle building a stadium on that piece of land. Once outline permission is granted, you have to submit a further full planning application (if you want the technical term its called a reserved matters application) before full permission is approved. As far as i know that is what Castleford now need to do before they can progress any further with their proposed stadium. I thought however that Salford had now submitted an application for full planning permission as the design and stadium details have changed significantly. Whichever type of application they have submitted it will come with conditions that will have to be subsequently discharged in the exact same way as the Saints application before any building works can start.

Re: Stadium Site pictures : Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:16 pm  

steve wrote:

Sorry but that isn't true. Outline planning only approves in principle building a stadium on that piece of land. Once outline permission is granted, you have to submit a further full planning application (if you want the technical term its called a reserved matters application) before full permission is approved. As far as i know that is what Castleford now need to do before they can progress any further with their proposed stadium. I thought however that Salford had now submitted an application for full planning permission as the design and stadium details have changed significantly. Whichever type of application they have submitted it will come with conditions that will have to be subsequently discharged in the exact same way as the Saints application before any building works can start.

Thanks for correcting me. You have to give Salford credit though it's one hell of a 3D CGI fly-through they've erected on the site to give the impression to everybody driving over Barton Viaduct on the M60 the impression that works have started. It certainly puts Gruntfuttock's photos to shame.

I will try to spot the joins in the screens on my way past tonight.



ps a reserved matters application is not a full planning application of you want to be picky on terminology. It is a application to discharge the conditions contained in the outline permission. You are not applying for permission as you already have it.

Re: Stadium Site pictures : Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:13 pm  

The Chair Maker wrote:

Outline is not full planning permission.

They have to go through the full bureaucratic process and fulfill any preconditions the council set before construction commences.

Hence why Salford are talking about a 2012 completion date.

Let's just wait and see which ground gets completed first!!!!!

There is another development that keeps having problem with delays, the former Liverpool International Garden Festival site, remember that in 1984! there have been talks and date announcements over and over again that work will be starting soon, the last in February this year, the developers oh could it be the same as in St Helens!

Re: Stadium Site pictures : Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:46 pm  

made up for Salford setting up their stadium, its just that Sale rugby union have done shag all to help, yet they will also share the ground on equal terms.

Re: Stadium Site pictures : Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:45 pm  

The Doghead wrote:

made up for Salford setting up their stadium, its just that Sale rugby union have done shag all to help, yet they will also share the ground on equal terms.

They should tell the rah-rahs to p155 off.

Re: Stadium Site pictures : Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:07 pm  

Why has McMannus said it is a 50 week build when Colquitt said it was a 60 week build.
What's changed?

Have they also factored in the two week Christmas break for the construction industry?

I was away last week for the Catalan v Wigan game, so didn't hear the Radio Manchester interview.

Re: Stadium Site pictures : Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:30 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote: Why has McMannus said it is a 50 week build when Colquitt said it was a 60 week build. What's changed? Have they also factored in the two week Christmas break for the construction industry? I was away last week for the Catalan v Wigan game, so didn't hear the Radio Manchester interview. link. I think you can get it for up to a week, the main points are at the start of the program. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p008j7kr

Rogues Gallery wrote: Why has McMannus said it is a 50 week build when Colquitt said it was a 60 week build. What's changed? Have they also factored in the two week Christmas break for the construction industry? I was away last week for the Catalan v Wigan game, so didn't hear the Radio Manchester interview. link. I think you can get it for up to a week, the main points are at the start of the program. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p008j7kr