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Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:29 am  
In a big game I'd pick Wilkin over Walsh every day of the week.

Walsh is a soft player, no surprise he looked great in a flat track bully game last week.

He's not a winner and he lacks desire - not a Saints player in my book.
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Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:36 am  
Leeds were far far the better side, Peacock even at his age made some of the pack look amateurs! Masoe is not for the modern game and never will be for me, even though some like that type of forward, Savelio is a real star, he and Louis not carrying weight can still make good breaks. Burns for me does not do enough, same he can't use his anger he has at times in pushing himself more. Wilkin would have made a difference but I'm not sure enough all round to win. It's over and move on to the next game.
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Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:00 am  
I can understand the disappointment of losing a CC semi but I don't get all this doom and gloom about Saints not being good enough. Saints are a good team and will take some beating in the play-offs. For me it is more tactical against Leeds. If Wigan and Wire can beat Leeds then Saints can too. Wigan and Wire have stopped the Leeds go forward and minimised the off-loading. Like any team if you let them play their natural game then they look good. I am not suggesting it is easy and now that Leeds have most of their players back they are the team to beat for sure.
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Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:47 am  
Well done to saints for making it a real fight when they looked out on their feet. Does cunningham ever give a gracious post match interview?
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Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:59 am  
Leeds deserved it. The scoreline reflected how the game went. Our kicking game extremely average.

And having watched the game back since, how the hell did Sinfield get motm on the tv?? There was many players on their side who had much better games than him. And one or two on ours.
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Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:25 am  
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Got to say I agree with this post totally. In addition to the dumb kicking you refer to I would add the equally dumb errors, the most frustrating of which was lazy Mosoe's knock on just when we had all that momentum in the second half. That took it away and we never regained it.


Players make mistakes. Some of Leeds' most experienced players coughed up the ball inexplicably last night. I can cope with Mose dropping the ball - especially as he has been a tower of strength over the last few games.

What I can't cope with is a halfback who might as well be playing for the opposition for all the help and free tries he's giving them. I backed Cunningham when he criticised Walsh's teammates for not protecting him.

But the players can't and won't be held responsible for his shocking standard of play forever. At some point there is going to be a serious row behind the scenes at the club. Fierce competitors like Walmsley, Roby and company just aren't going to put up with Walsh's inability to recover his form for much longer.
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Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Sat Aug 01, 2015 12:24 pm  
saint at wire wrote:
I disagree; we were poor for most of the first half. Leeds were too good for us because of their off loading game. Stop that - and we didn't - Leeds are quite ordinary.

When dire beat them twice they were in their faces and stopped the Leeds game of offloading and beat them twice.


In the first 20 minutes Leeds were too good for you in all departments. It was not just the offloading aspect to our game, but we played at speed in attack and defense that kept you out of our half totally for this period. We also made clean breaks and tackle busts that made the offloads difficult to handle.

Credit to Saints for coming back but you need a game plan that is not just bashing up the middle with the big forwards.
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Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Sat Aug 01, 2015 12:49 pm  
One thing I will say is that I'm getting completely fed up with the way our forwards are handling Leeds' geriatric front row.

I'll never forget the time Kevin Ward played his last game against Australia at Wembley. At the time he was, maybe 36, and still playing very well for Saints.

I can't remember who was coaching Australia back then but I remember him saying something like, "a guy that age has no place on a rugby pitch". From the first minute to the last their younger forwards smashed Ward every time he took the ball. By half time he looked like an old man - finished.

Peacock is a great player. But if you aren't smashing 35 year old forwards every time they take the ball you really are behind the IQ curve. There's certainly no excuse for the treatment we gave KL.

Last night it was only when Mose arrived in his first spell and actually began targeting Leeds' props that we finally began to wake up. It really is frustrating seeing so many fans obsessing over Leeds' first twenty minutes when it is patently obvious that it's impossible for them to keep up such a pace.

Leeds know Saints' big forwards burn fuel quickly. But they also know we are not a high-scoring team. Their entire strategy is entirely dependent on focusing enormous energy early on to get two or three scores ahead. At that point they know we aren't likely to score four or five tries on the bounce. Other Saints' sides could. But not this one.

To be fair, Saints seemed to cope much better last night and our scrambling defence prevented them from going out of sight. But the one thing we couldn't overcome was our walking 14-point handicap.

But if I were Cunningham I'd have a serious word with Walmsley, Amor, Masoe and company about their ridiculous reverence for Peacock and KL. The Aussies never show any respect for age. Just look at some of the treatment dished out to guys like Wille Mason as the years rolled by.

If Peacock isn't leaving the pitch feeling his age and four score years then something is going wrong.
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Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:56 pm  
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Well done to saints for making it a real fight when they looked out on their feet. Does cunningham ever give a gracious post match interview?


Contrast that with Tony Smiths post match interview.
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Re: Challenge Cup Semi : Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:57 pm  
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One thing I will say is that I'm getting completely fed up with the way our forwards are handling Leeds' geriatric front row.

I'll never forget the time Kevin Ward played his last game against Australia at Wembley. At the time he was, maybe 36, and still playing very well for Saints.

I can't remember who was coaching Australia back then but I remember him saying something like, "a guy that age has no place on a rugby pitch". From the first minute to the last their younger forwards smashed Ward every time he took the ball. By half time he looked like an old man - finished.

Peacock is a great player. But if you aren't smashing 35 year old forwards every time they take the ball you really are behind the IQ curve. There's certainly no excuse for the treatment we gave KL.

Last night it was only when Mose arrived in his first spell and actually began targeting Leeds' props that we finally began to wake up. It really is frustrating seeing so many fans obsessing over Leeds' first twenty minutes when it is patently obvious that it's impossible for them to keep up such a pace.

Leeds know Saints' big forwards burn fuel quickly. But they also know we are not a high-scoring team. Their entire strategy is entirely dependent on focusing enormous energy early on to get two or three scores ahead. At that point they know we aren't likely to score four or five tries on the bounce. Other Saints' sides could. But not this one.

To be fair, Saints seemed to cope much better last night and our scrambling defence prevented them from going out of sight. But the one thing we couldn't overcome was our walking 14-point handicap.

But if I were Cunningham I'd have a serious word with Walmsley, Amor, Masoe and company about their ridiculous reverence for Peacock and KL. The Aussies never show any respect for age. Just look at some of the treatment dished out to guys like Wille Mason as the years rolled by.

If Peacock isn't leaving the pitch feeling his age and four score years then something is going wrong.


Peacock isn't just another forward in his mid 30's, he's a modern legend of the game both for club and country. An inspirational leader who is 'still' head and shoulders above most forwards in SL.

You have to be gracious in victory, but you should also be gracious in defeat. Leeds are better than us this season. That doesn't mean we can't beat them but you have to acknowledge they are a fantastic side.

It's up to Cunningham and co to come up with a game plan to beat them.
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