Re: THE Derby : Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:02 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

We get Walsh and Burns on the pitch at the same time and it'll be our forwards who all get injured.

I'm finding our swathes of injuries tiresome. They are ruining every season.

Apart from last season




Being serious tho, we ain't the only team that get injuries. Every team has them and some worse than orhers at different stages of the season. We having a bad one at the moment but that's rugby.

If you consider we had lomax, percy, burns, walsh, Wilkin and Vea missing today, we still had a decent team out. That team beats 70% of teams in super league Imo.

Re: THE Derby : Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:07 pm  

Plenty to be positive about still. The pack is awesome and there was nothing in it, Wigan scoring from a charge down and a kick. Defense was outstanding, forwards were too. I thought Lance had a decent showing as well. It was about as good as was possible from us. We were reliant on Wigan having a bad day and to be fair they didn't. Their commitment was total and their line speed and numbers into the tackle were superb and ultimately what won it for them. I thought LMS had a great game, only really Richards who did anything wrong in the pack.

In terms of KC v Wane, Wane on points I feel today. He had to stop our pack and he did, the line speed was key. Had we had two halfbacks that tactic would have left acres of room on the fringes. KC couldn't really do anything about it as we just didn't have the men to do it.

The only question mark I'd raise today was Wello's selection. I can understand him playing when we've got a lot of injuries, but it was clear from the kick off that he was unable to make any kind of contribution to the game. When that kick was blocked he literally couldn't move. It meant we had Makinson defending the kicks at fullback until Wello went off, and we carried him like that until he went off. Are there really no backs in the academy that could play?

Re: THE Derby : Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:10 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Plenty to be positive about still. The pack is awesome and there was nothing in it, Wigan scoring from a charge down and a kick. Defense was outstanding, forwards were too. I thought Lance had a decent showing as well. It was about as good as was possible from us. We were reliant on Wigan having a bad day and to be fair they didn't. Their commitment was total and their line speed and numbers into the tackle were superb and ultimately what won it for them. I thought LMS had a great game, only really Richards who did anything wrong in the pack.

In terms of KC v Wane, Wane on points I feel today. He had to stop our pack and he did, the line speed was key. Had we had two halfbacks that tactic would have left acres of room on the fringes. KC couldn't really do anything about it as we just didn't have the men to do it.

The only question mark I'd raise today was Wello's selection. I can understand him playing when we've got a lot of injuries, but it was clear from the kick off that he was unable to make any kind of contribution to the game. When that kick was blocked he literally couldn't move. It meant we had Makinson defending the kicks at fullback until Wello went off, and we carried him like that until he went off. Are there really no backs in the academy that could play?

Wello needs a op. He put his hand up to play today as we was bodies down. Roby was same, he had painkilling injection to play.

Re: THE Derby : Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:14 pm  

St pete wrote:

Apart from last season

No. They ruined last SEASON as well. They didn't ruin the Grand Final, fortunately. But I got very little joy out of watching a patched up team playing when we could have had so much better. I don't just live for the Grand Final like some fans do. I want to enjoy my rugby during the season as well.

Being serious tho, we ain't the only team that get injuries. Every team has them and some worse than orhers at different stages of the season. We having a bad one at the moment but that's rugby.

We have had 'bad ones' since 2011. Every season including and since 2011 we have had swathes of injuries undermining us. And no, not every team has that degree of injury. Leeds don't, Warrington don't, Wigan don't, Huddersfield don't. It's the same teams each season: us, Widnes, Wakefield. Every season they get hit not by the odd one or two, which you would expect, but by numerous injuries and frankly I'm fed up of it. I don't believe it is anything to do with luck.

Re: THE Derby : Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:15 pm  

St pete wrote:

Wello needs a op. He put his hand up to play today as we was bodies down. Roby was same, he had painkilling injection to play.

Fair play to him for that. But perhaps we should have gone with someone from the academy? They had Manfredi playing who is a relative newb and Hampshire too.

Re: THE Derby : Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:18 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Fair play to him for that. But perhaps we should have gone with someone from the academy? They had Manfredi playing who is a relative newb and Hampshire too.

We must have someone in the academy who can catch, pass and run? Stick them on the wing and play T Mak at fullback.

Re: THE Derby : Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:19 pm  

Can,t complain about the result, heroic defence for most of the game, forwards worked there socks off.

Main difference was the kicking game and penalties turning us around on the back foot, anyone who crticises Turner under the circumstances are completly out of order.

Re: THE Derby : Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:21 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Fair play to him for that. But perhaps we should have gone with someone from the academy? They had Manfredi playing who is a relative newb and Hampshire too.

That would have been the smart option. A fully fit Wellens isn't worth much cop, never mind an injured one. What was KC thinking?

Re: THE Derby : Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:24 pm  

Roy Haggerty wrote:

Then we should do the same.

It's not the offsides which cost us this game. It's james green's foul on travis burns. Stick a real halfback on the field for us today, and we win. We can't carry on with this "stick anyone with legs in the halves". We need a halfback who can actually move the ball effectively.

Agreed. I felt sorry for Turner today. In a high-intensity environment like that you need your ball players to be people to whom decision making comes naturally. Both with the hands and the feet Turner was terribly laboured, and it cost us repeatedly. But you can't expect anything else - it's just not his game. I don't know much about Hewitt, but there must be something seriously wrong with either his game or his attitude if he doesn't make it into the team on Monday. I'd be more than happy to accept a couple of errors from an inexperienced halfback if it meant we actually had a halfback on the field.

On the whole, though, I can't feel too negative after that match. Richards had a mare with his errors and penalties - some of them really crucial - but as a group we played with real valour today under dreadful circumstances.

Re: THE Derby : Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:34 pm  

Dux wrote:

Agreed. I felt sorry for Turner today. In a high-intensity environment like that you need your ball players to be people to whom decision making comes naturally. Both with the hands and the feet Turner was terribly laboured, and it cost us repeatedly. But you can't expect anything else - it's just not his game. I don't know much about Hewitt, but there must be something seriously wrong with either his game or his attitude if he doesn't make it into the team on Monday. I'd be more than happy to accept a couple of errors from an inexperienced halfback if it meant we actually had a halfback on the field.

On the whole, though, I can't feel too negative after that match. Richards had a mare with his errors and penalties - some of them really crucial - but as a group we played with real valour today under dreadful circumstances.

I agree. I think Turner has become a decent centre. I don't have problems with him as a player. He's just not a halfback in a million years.

As you say, if Hewitt is unable to be selected when we have both halves and two half-replacements out injured, then clearly he's insufficiently rated by the club to justify even an academy salary.

We need options. Hull are nowhere near as able as Wigan, and we're almost in the "nothing to lose" place now. At least try out a kid ?