Re: Saints V Salford : Sat May 31, 2014 8:31 am  

With regard to slowing the game down.

I felt that many of our so called knocks by players who stayed on the field were actually "old soldier routine" as it allowed our players to get a break and recover some energy, due to not being able to rotate from the bench.

Looking at the match stats, Greg Richards stands out. I had noticed him making a few nice offloads, reminiscent of a young Jammer, but I didn't notice the work he put in. I was probably too busy noticing Thompson

LMS also came out with a good knock as well.

Richards 20 carries and 114 metres, and 23 tackles
LMS 14 carries 110 metres 29 tackles
Flanagan 15 carries 97 metres 26 tackles
Thompson 16 carries 96 metres 27 tackles

Soliola came out well with 134 metres and 24 tackles. I suspect most of this was before he was moved to centre, after which he had a bit of a mare.

Masoe showed good leg drive and made good yardage when in the tackle but otherwise was very lazy
66 metres from 8 carries, and 19 tackles most of which were third man in flops, isn't good enough.

Re: Saints V Salford : Sat May 31, 2014 8:38 am  

The Chair Maker wrote:

I felt that many of our so called knocks by players who stayed on the field were actually "old soldier routine" as it allowed our players to get a break and recover some energy, due to not being able to rotate from the bench.

Wello's wasn't. I saw him twisted in the tackle. Some may have been though but last night given the exits from the pitch and Thompson's bloody nose, I doubt there was much of that going on. Walsh certainly did some time wasting, which was spot on given the inury situation.

I got the impression that Mose wasn't on for very long last night? There seemed to be big gaps where he wasn't on the pitch. Also, an Aussie guy in front of me at the match who has played the game (as opposed to me who hasn't) said that Brown played Mose in a different position this time which he thought resulting in him not being as effective as last weekend. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can comment on that.

Re: Saints V Salford : Sat May 31, 2014 9:02 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

Wello's wasn't. I saw him twisted in the tackle. Some may have been though but last night given the exits from the pitch and Thompson's bloody nose, I doubt there was much of that going on. Walsh certainly did some time wasting, which was spot on given the inury situation.

I got the impression that Mose wasn't on for very long last night? There seemed to be big gaps where he wasn't on the pitch. Also, an Aussie guy in front of me at the match who has played the game (as opposed to me who hasn't) said that Brown played Mose in a different position this time which he thought resulting in him not being as effective as last weekend. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can comment on that.

Well for a start Masoe wasn't taking it up early in the tackle count eg from kickoffs. Something he did two or three times the week before. LMS and Soliola seemed to be the guys hitting it up early doors. He was only used once close to the Salford try line. Whereas the week before I recall he carried the ball a good few times in the opposition red zone.

Re: Saints V Salford : Sat May 31, 2014 9:51 am  

Can anyone explain why we don't move mose out of the pack from a scrum in the opposition 20. Even if you use him as an option runner, there is bound to be some space on the edges.

Re: Saints V Salford : Sat May 31, 2014 3:59 pm  

I don't think we know what to do with Mose to be honest; though a big part of that is more than likely due to us missing Walmsley and Amor.

Re: Saints V Salford : Sat May 31, 2014 4:15 pm  

Carlos Alberto wrote:

I don't think we know what to do with Mose to be honest; though a big part of that is more than likely due to us missing Walmsley and Amor.

The best way to use Mose is pure impact in 20 min spells and coming on to the ball like a train. Use his size, power and speed.

Like you said, it's harder when Amor and walmsley ain't fit.

Re: Saints V Salford : Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:06 am  

[quote="Saddened!"]
The game kicked off at 8. The England game kicked off at 8 and Warrington's game did. England's game was 5 minutes longer due to the sport involved and Warrington's was on Sky with video ref calls. Saints game finished well after both of those games at gone ten to. Had that game been on Sky with video ref replays we'd probably still be there now.


Are you sure? I was at the Saints v Salford match and after the final whistle I went into the Sponsors Lounge and saw the end of the Warrington V Leeds game on Sky TV.

Re: Saints V Salford : Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:43 am  

There were lots of zzzzzzz periods in the match with very slow walk ups to form a scrum, getting the ball back for a penalty, drop outs from the line took ages to take..
Quite a few around us said the same thing that with all the stoppages it was similar to Rugby Union the game took 1hr 45 mins to finish.
I got the impression that Salford wanted to play a slowing down spoiling game to keep the score down and Saints bought into it due to the injuries piling up.

Re: Saints V Salford : Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:29 am  

It's just one of those things, occasionally both sides favour a slower game and so the trudging around begins.

Given the lead we had there was probably no need for us to rush the game. It was all on Salford to pick up the tempo.

Re: Saints V Salford : Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:40 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

It's just one of those things, occasionally both sides favour a slower game and so the trudging around begins.

Given the lead we had there was probably no need for us to rush the game. It was all on Salford to pick up the tempo.

Salford would have been better picking the tempo up. We were clearly struggling, and when they actually moved the ball around they made some space for the young winger. If they had maintained that they would have got within a couple of scores at the start of the 2nd half, and we would have wilted.