Re: wello bitten?. : Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:35 pm  

Looks very naughty there

Re: wello bitten?. : Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:38 pm  

The Reaper wrote:

The freeze frame clearly shows not just Wellens' arm in McIlorum's mouth, but a clear tension of the muscles in McIlorum's face, making it fairly obvious that he was 'biting down'. What more context do you need? For all of the Wigan fans' post on this board about how Saints fans are blind/biased/blinkered/deluded, you guys really do seem to have trouble accepting this incident.

let me know if you keep a straight face if somebody forearms you in the face if you ever have the privilege of it happening to you. I don't think he will be banned if anything i reckon both will get warnings, if Micky moved his head towards wellens arm and that incident happened then there would be a clear case.

Re: wello bitten?. : Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:41 pm  

Role model of thuggery v Role model of sporting professionalism. The best one to judge whether Wellens led with the elbow or arm would be HOCK for Wigan he use to do it around 4 or 5 times a game, week in week out.

Re: wello bitten?. : Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:44 pm  

model professional? Maybe if he stopped all the whiney temper tantrums he throws at the refs every time saints concede a try.

Judder man guess you didn't support saints when you had nick fozzard.

Re: wello bitten?. : Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:50 pm  

The Reaper wrote:

The freeze frame clearly shows not just Wellens' arm in McIlorum's mouth, but a clear tension of the muscles in McIlorum's face, making it fairly obvious that he was 'biting down'. What more context do you need? For all of the Wigan fans' post on this board about how Saints fans are blind/biased/blinkered/deluded, you guys really do seem to have trouble accepting this incident.

Every player will have tension in their face whether attacking or defending as they are putting a great deal of effort into playing the game. What is clear is MM didn't move his head towards Wellens in the way Graham did on Slater for example. MM may have taken the opportunity as Wellens put his arm in Micky's face. I don't know. All I said is neither the freeze frames or the video clips are conclusive. You have obviously made your mind up I'll wait for if there is a charge from the disciplinary before I make up mine. If he did he deserves a ban. If he didn't I assume he'll get an apology from you?

Re: wello bitten?. : Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:12 pm  

Eastbourne Warrior wrote:

Every player will have tension in their face whether attacking or defending as they are putting a great deal of effort into playing the game. What is clear is MM didn't move his head towards Wellens in the way Graham did on Slater for example. MM may have taken the opportunity as Wellens put his arm in Micky's face. I don't know. All I said is neither the freeze frames or the video clips are conclusive. You have obviously made your mind up I'll wait for if there is a charge from the disciplinary before I make up mine. If he did he deserves a ban. If he didn't I assume he'll get an apology from you?

Well, of course. Everybody knows that the disciplinary committee are infallible.

Re: wello bitten?. : Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:25 pm  

The Reaper wrote:

Well, of course. Everybody knows that the disciplinary committee are infallible.

The disciplinary will be unable to draw any conclusions based on the video just like any other objective person. What it boils down to is whether Wellens has any evidence to back up his claim. He he does then MM will be charged and deservedly banned. If he doesn't then he won't.

Re: wello bitten?. : Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:28 pm  

Just watched the incident, and I think he has bitten Wello. It's the kind of behaviour you expect from McIlorum these days unfortunately, hopefully a long ban is on it's way! For the Wigan fans questioning Wellens' professionalism, throwing the odd paddy is hardly comparable to biting another player. Wellens isn't really going to make up that he's been bitten, and the pictures show that he was.

Re: wello bitten?. : Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:30 pm  

Eastbourne Warrior wrote:

The disciplinary will be unable to draw any conclusions based on the video just like any other objective person. What it boils down to is whether Wellens has any evidence to back up his claim. He he does then MM will be charged and deservedly banned. If he doesn't then he won't.

Whilst that is true, I think we all know he bit him. Unfortunately, just like kicking him whilst on the floor at the dw, the cameras won't be conclusive.

Question for the Wigan fans - do they REALLY think someone like Paul Wellens would say a fellow pro bit him if they didn't?

Re: wello bitten?. : Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:43 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Whilst that is true, I think we all know he bit him. Unfortunately, just like kicking him whilst on the floor at the dw, the cameras won't be conclusive.

Question for the Wigan fans - do they REALLY think someone like Paul Wellens would say a fellow pro bit him if they didn't?

I can't speak for others but No I don't. I think that at the time Wellens thought he was. Wellness was however pushing his arm into MM's face, effectively into his mouth. From the video There was no obvious biting action from MM. If he did indeed 'clamp down' I'm sure he would have left a mark for the ref to see and include in his report.

It is also very possible that Wellens felt MM's teeth as he was shoving his arm into his mouth and therefore felt as though he was bitten even though he wasn't. I can understand most St Helens fans thinking that would be nonsense, particularly as people love to hate MM but it is feasible.

As I said before I honestly can't draw any conclusion from the evidence and will wait for the disciplinary rather than making the conclusion that I would prefer.