Re: Gareth O'Brien : Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:41 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

He was cheering for us tonight.

He wasn't cheering for you he was laughing at you

Re: Gareth O'Brien : Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:41 pm  

wakey_saint wrote:

Makinson is a great player as a winger, but showed earlier in season he is better out there finishing tries (what he does best) than in the line trying to pass the ball. Twice this season (Hull KR away and Catalans at home IIRC) his poor decision making cost us in very good attacking positions and could have won had different options been taken. Leave him on the wing where he is best suited and most effective.

I actually agree with St Pete about Wellens, if we can't find a 6 for next year use Lomax there and play him at full back. He is slow as we all know but he is also safe there which has to be considered. Lomax is a more modern type full back but safe is one thing he isn't, in particular the Higham and Carvell tries from last night wouldn't have been scored with Wello at 1 imo

But he isn't anymore.

Re: Gareth O'Brien : Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:51 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

But he isn't anymore.

Exactly, he's shot, he has virtually none of his attributes that made him so great, retire with some grace, and as a legend

Re: Gareth O'Brien : Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:46 pm  

wakey_saint wrote:

Makinson is a great player as a winger, but showed earlier in season he is better out there finishing tries (what he does best) than in the line trying to pass the ball. Twice this season (Hull KR away and Catalans at home IIRC) his poor decision making cost us in very good attacking positions and could have won had different options been taken. Leave him on the wing where he is best suited and most effective.

I agree. I don't think makinson showed that he has the ability and skill set to play FB.

Who plays 6 is going to be dependent upon how we want to play. If we are splitting the HBs then Wilkin might play a ball handling role and we play an extra forward. Not ideal but I think that would be the best option if we fail to bring in a 6.

I'd love wheeler to be given his shot, but that's unlikely to result in a long term selection and the likes of Charnock are too young yet.

Re: Gareth O'Brien : Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:15 pm  

Thanks to O'Brien decent service from the lad but like Howarth not good enough for us. Wheeler last chance pal and I hope you make it, otherwise its Bradfurt with the other two.

Re: Gareth O'Brien : Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:54 am  

Albion wrote:

I agree. I don't think makinson showed that he has the ability and skill set to play FB.

Who plays 6 is going to be dependent upon how we want to play. If we are splitting the HBs then Wilkin might play a ball handling role and we play an extra forward. Not ideal but I think that would be the best option if we fail to bring in a 6.

I'd love wheeler to be given his shot, but that's unlikely to result in a long term selection and the likes of Charnock are too young yet.

I agre 100% that makinson can't play the modern role of fullback. He can cover injuries but he's a winger. Just wish he was better with the ball. It's very rare tommy can beat a man.

Re: Gareth O'Brien : Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:20 am  

St pete wrote:

Just wish he was better with the ball. It's very rare tommy can beat a man.

He can win us penalties though. He likes to shimmy on the ground, and that has won us a penalty more than once this season. He should play to his strengths IMO.

Re: Gareth O'Brien : Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:22 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

He can win us penalties though. He likes to shimmy on the ground, and that has won us a penalty more than once this season. He should play to his strengths IMO.

His strength is running into open spaces and using his pace, sadly against top teams there isnt much space, certainly not returning the ball with half a team thundering towards you, that requires footwork that he so far at least hasnt demonstrated. He will be great on the wing when we start to make him those spaces i.e. when we have a proper halfback combo , a pack that goes forward and a threat from fullback in the form of a fully fit and firing Lomax (who has excellent footwork and timing)

Re: Gareth O'Brien : Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:26 pm  

No1 Saint wrote:

His strength is running into open spaces and using his pace, sadly against top teams there isnt much space, certainly not returning the ball with half a team thundering towards you, that requires footwork that he so far at least hasnt demonstrated. He will be great on the wing when we start to make him those spaces i.e. when we have a proper halfback combo , a pack that goes forward and a threat from fullback in the form of a fully fit and firing Lomax (who has excellent footwork and timing)

Interesting that when we did briefly have a halfback in the team both our wingers seemed to get a lot more ball (I say seemed because that's the impression I got; I haven't checked on any stats before anyone jumps down my throat).

Re: Gareth O'Brien : Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:18 pm  

No1 Saint wrote:

His strength is running into open spaces and using his pace, sadly against top teams there isnt much space, certainly not returning the ball with half a team thundering towards you, that requires footwork that he so far at least hasnt demonstrated. He will be great on the wing when we start to make him those spaces i.e. when we have a proper halfback combo , a pack that goes forward and a threat from fullback in the form of a fully fit and firing Lomax (who has excellent footwork and timing)

Pretty accurate description of Makinson, he,s improved this year under Brown. However, for me he,s still an average winger with a very limited skill set, Swift has the better potential.