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Re: Nothing better than a nice dose of reality : Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:26 pm  
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I hope and expect to see a fired up saints, fancy we'll win comfortably.

I said that against Huddersfield :?
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Re: Nothing better than a nice dose of reality : Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:47 pm  
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I said that against Huddersfield :?


That display reeked of complacency and believing their own hype.

We'll be fine this week and in 2013 generally.
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Re: Nothing better than a nice dose of reality : Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:58 pm  
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That display reeked of complacency and believing their own hype.

We'll be fine this week and in 2013 generally.


We seem to be victims of a good pre-season with a full squad and very few injuries.
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Re: Nothing better than a nice dose of reality : Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:25 am  
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Lomax was non-existent but playing behind a pack that was dominated, its hard to expect much, and Gaskell just doesn't have the distribution skills for a top class 6 IMO. He's a victim of his size - as a junior his strength was his running game, which isn't as effective at SL level.


Gaskell's distribution is better than Lomax's. I've not seen Gaskell throw the number of intercepted passes Lomax does (one game last year he threw 4 iirc) and last weekends game continued that poor passing game with easy passes being thrown badly and behind the player on a number of occasions. This is added to his running game being less and less of a threat. Lomax was hindered in a lot of respects last year being partnered with Hohaia, but it also diverted attention away from his own drop in form.

Personally, I think a move away from 7 would do him good like it did Tomkins. Play Hohaia at 7 with Gaskell at 6 for now as we aren't going to be signing anyone. I do think the skill sets of Lomax and Gaskell compliment each other, but their combined lack of experience is an issue at the moment.
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Re: Nothing better than a nice dose of reality : Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:23 pm  
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People will always find a new Meli. :roll:


There is only one Francis Meli :BOW:

FearTheVee wrote:
Manu is a better player than flannery. But then we wouldn't have been anything like as leaky up front had flannery been in the side and I doubt the scoreline would have been as bad.

Just sayin!


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Come on, Flannery was a very poor player if the club had any sense he would have been cut after the 2010 grand final when half the Wigan team ran past him at some point. Because he offered nothing in attack people gave him the "solid forward" tag but he wasn't that either. He was just a very poor rugby player that seemed to keep his place in the squad by "training well" and "being a good professional".

If you intended to get me in a bad mood well done :DEPRESSED: :wink:
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Re: Nothing better than a nice dose of reality : Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:24 pm  
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There is only one Francis Meli :BOW:

:CRAZY:

Come on, Flannery was a very poor player if the club had any sense he would have been cut after the 2010 grand final when half the Wigan team ran past him at some point. Because he offered nothing in attack people gave him the "solid forward" tag but he wasn't that either. He was just a very poor rugby player that seemed to keep his place in the squad by "training well" and "being a good professional".

If you intended to get me in a bad mood well done :DEPRESSED: :wink:


Yet he managed 10 SOO appearances . Must say that I never saw anything from him that would justify this but 10 is no fluke.
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Re: Nothing better than a nice dose of reality : Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:53 am  
Noel Cleal wrote:
Top Saint wrote:
People will always find a new Meli. :roll:


There is only one Francis Meli :BOW:

FearTheVee wrote:
Manu is a better player than flannery. But then we wouldn't have been anything like as leaky up front had flannery been in the side and I doubt the scoreline would have been as bad.

Just sayin!


:CRAZY:

Come on, Flannery was a very poor player if the club had any sense he would have been cut after the 2010 grand final when half the Wigan team ran past him at some point. Because he offered nothing in attack people gave him the "solid forward" tag but he wasn't that either. He was just a very poor rugby player that seemed to keep his place in the squad by "training well" and "being a good professional".

If you intended to get me in a bad mood well done :DEPRESSED: :wink:


I'm making one simple observation - flannery was a better defender than manu is. As I said, that's not to say he's a better player, but Manu's defence reeks.
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Re: Nothing better than a nice dose of reality : Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:59 am  
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Gaskell's distribution is better than Lomax's. I've not seen Gaskell throw the number of intercepted passes Lomax does (one game last year he threw 4 iirc) and last weekends game continued that poor passing game with easy passes being thrown badly and behind the player on a number of occasions. This is added to his running game being less and less of a threat. Lomax was hindered in a lot of respects last year being partnered with Hohaia, but it also diverted attention away from his own drop in form.

Personally, I think a move away from 7 would do him good like it did Tomkins. Play Hohaia at 7 with Gaskell at 6 for now as we aren't going to be signing anyone. I do think the skill sets of Lomax and Gaskell compliment each other, but their combined lack of experience is an issue at the moment.



I think whats needed for the Lomax/Gaskell parnership is to get a run 4 to 6 winning games where they are playing on the front foot to gain confidence and develop there control of the team.
The moment the team is under pressure, the lack of half back skill set comes to the fore. Lomax with loose passes and Gaskell drifts out of the game.
Last year with Lomax/Hohaia/Gaskell we had too many games where they were playing like "rabbits caught in headlights" with the failed plan of Wellens and Wilkin attacking the line as an alternative.
Its OK saying our forwards should lay the platform for the half backs, but it works the other way as well. This is what a lot of our half backs in the past did by doing something skillfully inspirational to change the game for our forwards.
My biggest concern is whose bossing the team and showing something inspirational, whose linking the forwards with the backs. A lot of this is got to be the half backs with also the skills to create time and space for others.
Like I,ve said before our half backs are too flat and most of the time engage in a lot of lateral play. A ball playing loose forward like Sculthorpe would help but these are rare now, relying on a prop size unit instead.
Its a pity we can't get Sean Long on board as some form of attacking assistant coach just to accelerate our half backs skillset learning curve, otherwise we have the scenario of a painfully slow process of two inexperienced half learning there trade by there mistakes at cost.
I would also agree it might be better when conditions suit to let Lomax play elsewhere at Full Back for instance, to allow him to develop some attacking skills from deep with more time and space, then bring him back into the halves, or maybe if he is more effective to the team as a whole at full back then leave him there.
Question.......did Swift start life as a potential half back (no 6) I,m not sure.
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Re: Nothing better than a nice dose of reality : Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:41 pm  
Judder Man wrote:
I think whats needed for the Lomax/Gaskell parnership is to get a run 4 to 6 winning games where they are playing on the front foot to gain confidence and develop there control of the team.
The moment the team is under pressure, the lack of half back skill set comes to the fore. Lomax with loose passes and Gaskell drifts out of the game.
Last year with Lomax/Hohaia/Gaskell we had too many games where they were playing like "rabbits caught in headlights" with the failed plan of Wellens and Wilkin attacking the line as an alternative.
Its OK saying our forwards should lay the platform for the half backs, but it works the other way as well. This is what a lot of our half backs in the past did by doing something skillfully inspirational to change the game for our forwards.
My biggest concern is whose bossing the team and showing something inspirational, whose linking the forwards with the backs. A lot of this is got to be the half backs with also the skills to create time and space for others.
Like I,ve said before our half backs are too flat and most of the time engage in a lot of lateral play. A ball playing loose forward like Sculthorpe would help but these are rare now, relying on a prop size unit instead.
Its a pity we can't get Sean Long on board as some form of attacking assistant coach just to accelerate our half backs skillset learning curve, otherwise we have the scenario of a painfully slow process of two inexperienced half learning there trade by there mistakes at cost.
I would also agree it might be better when conditions suit to let Lomax play elsewhere at Full Back for instance, to allow him to develop some attacking skills from deep with more time and space, then bring him back into the halves, or maybe if he is more effective to the team as a whole at full back then leave him there.
Question.......did Swift start life as a potential half back (no 6) I,m not sure.


Swift is a half, yes.
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Re: Nothing better than a nice dose of reality : Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:53 pm  
No1 Saint wrote:
Yet he managed 10 SOO appearances . Must say that I never saw anything from him that would justify this but 10 is no fluke.

I have no idea how he got 10 SOO appearances, but he has certainly lunched out on it ever since. How many good games did he have in his time at Saints? I can think of 1. Whilst I never doubted his commitment and effort, it certainly wasn't matched by any skill or ability. I have no problems with solid players in the squad. Clough springs to mind. But wasting a quota spot on a player who is nothing more than solid is ludicrous.
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